Why vinyl purists arent w*nkers... - Page 2

oh werd i agree fresh plays shit, unless you wanna gimme a show mal ?

actually no i wont right off lewps show coz i aint heard it

Mills? Past it? Have you not seen the vids of him playin the DEMF? Look on youtube. He still going off. And dont say get back to me when mills can beatmatch, say get back to me when there is someone else like him, who mixes records for as little as 30 seconds before moving on. Id like to see anyone do that with something as fast as techno and keep 3 decks in beat the whole time. So what if it goes out of beat a lil, at least ya dont here the same loops for too long, he keeps it exciting!

I had to share - I was watching the Big Brother finale lastnight - that 'energetic' duo, the Potbelleez spun their tunes using CDs, while waving their arms and pumping their fists a lot. it was very funny. particularly when I thought of this thread

Other than that, I have no contribution or conviction either way. Exit stage left.....

i think the fact that mills goes out of time when he mixes is part of the whole show though... a mills set without train wrecks isnt really a mills set

at Random telling everyone to shut up

it's the most love for random ive had in my 7 years here

random for pm ?

I'm not that bothered about the skill thing (unless someone’s faking it, Pete Hook style). I'm not into turntablism, 3 decks or ADDJing- I'm sure they're very good at what they do and they can do it very quickly, but I don't want to have to listen to it.

But the supposed advantage of CDs/Laptop is that you can carry a huge amount of music with you. So why doesn’t this translate into a better experience for the punters?

A few months back I was in a pub on the southern side of the city. It was a Sunday on a long weekend and the place was pretty empty. There was a dude playing some tech-house sort of thing off CDs. He had a CD folder the size of a phonebook. The music wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t great either. The place was pretty empty though so it didn’t really matter I guess. After a while, a group of about 15 or 20 attractive, well-dressed young women stroll in to the near-empty pub. They all buy a cocktail. The dude keeps playing the tech-house. He’s got a massive amount of music to choose from, does he change things a bit? Does he play some vocal, St Germain, Naked Music, Timberlake, Madonna whatever? Nup. Just a big slab of bland tech-house. If those ladies had stayed for another drink it’d be like an extra 150-200$ over the bar.

He could’ve played ANYTHING: he had what looked like his entire collection with him…

I was at Elysium Lounge a while ago. Again with the tech-house (although it could've been jackin house, who knows). The first dude plays a set from one crate of vinyl, impeccably mixed.

The next guy sets up his serato and plays almost exactly the same style. The sound got a bit louder and more muffled and the needle fucked up once, but apart from that it was pretty much the same. What the fuck did he need an entire laptop full of music for? He played a set that would've fitted in one crate. Maybe he wasn't sure whether he was going to play jackin-tech-house or jackin-electro-house and wanted the flexibility of taking his entire collection with him...

so peeps like body language and caboose, when your idols switch to using serato or cdjs will your opinions chaange??

I have no doubts at all they will.

Oh right of course I forgot, I dont form my own opinions, i just let xpose tell me what they are going to be...
you dont know who my idols are... when did I say it was Mills? Dont recall even naming an idol on here, not a big fan of Australian Idol or channel ten ya see...

I have seen a few of my fave djs play of CDJs and my response is always the same. That I lose a great deal of respect for them and their djing. I am still yet too see someone play a set on cdjs or serato which is BETTER than a vinyl set. You guys say its an advance in technolgy... well its more boring. How this that an advancement? And cds skip just like needles do..

Btw Mills mixing records for 30 secs at a time keeps it interesting, read my post properly next time..

i'm sure most punters out there don't care whether a dj is using vinyl/CD/MP3/8-track/synths whatever.

Last weekend a DJ we had requested CDJs. I decided to try em out.

Personally, I think they are crap; they feel plasticy and cheap. They take their functionality cues from
turntables anyway (spin,brake, release etc etc), so essentially they are a wannabe 1200.

I decided to try them out; I felt like I was ripping off the punters; when people are watching me mix with vinyl, Im doing something to the actual medium; with the CDJs, Im touching a surface with fake "grooves", again to make it "feel" like vinyl.

I also use a laptop and a cheap DJ program called "Disco DJ". This enables me to have music I cannot get on vinyl. (the only reason a DJ should be considering anything other than vinyl). It has pitch control and a cue button. No fake record surface, no "spin" etc etc.

Technology is to be embraced, but I don't call CDJ's technology and I don't believe it takes any special skill to use them. DJing at a club or bar is a professional service; let's keep it professional.

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again where everyone has lost track...

since when did this become a debate on which is more of a sin; screwing innocent sheep or our ancestors being less than innocent?!

i mean xpose, kiwi and brick - whats the saying "great minds talk ideas and concepts, average minds talk events, simple minds talk about others"

it seems through, i dont know whether its lack of cohesion on what the debate is or inferior frustration, but this thread is losing its point and direction from this simple minded slander.

the debate is not that the music played by a cdj or vinyl dj is better or worse, its that the skill involved in mixing with vinyl is in a purists eyes, more technical and when a vinyl dj sees someone mixing cd's, a lack of dissatisfaction and disrespect is felt as it is easier.

as for serato vs cd vs vinyl - i have played all, do play all, and the sound of vinyl and sound manipulation and control is far superior. no doubt at all!

i too have seen a heap of incredible internationals, and yes they did incorporate yes INCORPORATE, but not base their sets on a laptop and cd's, or were simply playing live sets which well shites all over anything most of us can do well isnt it.

STOP ALL LOOKIN ONLY IN THE BOX ABOVE UR POST AND START SEEING THE ENTIRE POINT. . .

its about the respect for the skill and technicality of the DJ performing the set and playing the music that we all love. any twit can go up and play good songs, but the way in which they play them, and their technical skills is what i respect so much more too.

i can go and purchase the same music or one of u cdj's can go download it and play it, but whether or not u do it well and how technically skilled you are goes far deeper within the musical community also!

the average joe may not give a hoot, and yes i will happily dance to a good song played by a cdj, but whether or not i think they are a good dj in that respect is the question mostly at hand

there's a couple of models of cdjs with with spinning actual vinyl platters these days.. the numark one is ok apparently.. i got nfi i've never used it.

lachy used the technics one when he played at youth works haha

are those the turntables that also second as a cdj? they aint that flash...the only good ones i have come across cost a mint and are technics and really new. they have a spinning platter and were actually the closest to vinyl i have found..still tho, they have shite sound...i mean give me a cdj that i dont have to slam the mid and low's up on???? flat muffled sound - bla. what did all the cdjs decide to put a muffler on?




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dess-us seems to get pretty worked up hehe - it's the internet mate, threads get hijacked, topics stray from the original posts, oh well.

i dont get how your comment about myself, xpose and kiwi relates to anything...?

nah numarks... they have a turntable motor in em or some shit.

I was reading some review in Computer Music about em.

question.... are those saying no to cdj's, they lose interest in a dj when he uses a lappy / cdjs etc techno fans?

i doubt that... half of em do now days anyway...