Why vinyl purists arent w*nkers... - Page 2

if it has pitch control it can be mixed. whether its mp3, vinyl, laptop, DVJ's, CD's, I-pods, whatever. if you can mix it - use it.

vinyl purists do not reflect what dance music is all about - its about embracing new technology and doing something unique.

look how phil k uses equipment, same with zabiela.

if you think thats not dj'ing your a goose.

DJ = Disk Jockey

Therefore, laptop users (sans Serato or the like) aren't DJs.








(*Awaits some to point out the disc drives in laptops )

Hey your right, trentemoller does get other people to play his music... check out this story from the pokerflat website.

can be found at http://www.pokerflat-recordings.com/index2.html

"Good news for Trentemøller fans as today is the first day Anders and his band embark on their tour.

"Trentemøller Live In concert" who are: Henrik Vibskov on drums, Mikael Simpson (guitar/bass) and of course Trentemøller, kick-start today with a sold out show at Vega in Denmark, Copenhagen.

With the famous U.K festival Glastonbury to follow on tomorrow, audiences can expect Elaborate visuals by video director Karim Ghahwagi and a highly entertaining and capturing multi-sensual live performance of an outstanding album!"

That would be cool to see... Much better than that terrible laptop set he played when he was here. I hated that and said so at the time... Sounds like this band is more focused on his good productions like his album, rather than his cheesy rave stuff which I hate.

I think ya targeting Zabiela unfairly a bit in this thread... I dont think much of the guys music either anymore.. but he's still technically amazing... probably the only thing he's got going for him... and i've seen him use vinyl, cds, efx, dvdj's and a laptop...


Other then that I agree.

caboose moose u have a great point. although u know that i will argue with the zabelia argument. i have now seen him and nic f live and they are him, prob 90% james tho and the miserable other lil effort from nic f.

fair call tho.

i recently have discovered a whole mixing cdj island. where turntables are a rarity as the entire island has never had a record store. this created a whole generation of pure cdj's whom would bitter and banter over how there is no difference, until they stepped up to my turnies and ate dirt at how they acutally couldnt mix as it is all real time and u cant lock the pitch!

sukka's

in this time i also converted an egotistic 'i dont see the difference, oh and lets see if you can acutally mix' cdj, to a 'i cant believe how superior turntables are and i will never mix a cd again'.

ah, slowly we will re-take over the world.

personally, as yes now i have used cdj's (sorry caboose) and spent the entire time annoyed and was left feeling as if i was a dirty old man using the music as a cheap hooker. slapping it around and having a completely useless use of touch. these things are nothing like vinyl, and there is no skill involved in the fast and continuous manipulation of the beautiful spinning wax. the lack of sensuality and touch between myself and the music, well, record, made the entire experience unsatisfactory. i guess for some, ie. myself, mixing is not just an experience of the ears but also the hands, eyes and soul.

not to mention the satisfactory sense of ownership and the inablilty in ripping off artists. i once heard on this island a fuckwit playing a trak, which, was obviously a download from a mix cd, which started itself going into the next track. fuck wit, did he even listen to it.

on top of that, i have spent months mixing with a digital dj who seems to think that when we battled, his daily new trax meant he won our mixing battles. forgetting the entire skill involved in actually knowing his trax and mixing them well. this person has over 17 gig of tracks, of which he hardly knows any of them well, and would mix into shite electro grind riffs and breakdowns to competely ruin the tunes, into another cliche new electro trak.

yes he did have the newest but his mixing was terrible. he had no appreciation for the fact in competition of could pull out the perfect few records and mix them flawlessly and harmoniously into each other. i think that is where also so many digital dj's get lost, in constantly downloading the latest hook, and putting priority in having the lastest tunes therefore losing control over their ability to know and mix their music well.

Dess-us I wish I was smart enough to have written that essay. Top work dude.
I still think half of DJing is the culture of hanging out in record shops where you can talk rubbish and gain new influences every week. That mad scramble when a shipment comes in. Going to a new city and spending hours sifting through shelves. But thats just chin stroking.

I don’t think anyone here would really weigh in on this argument without having used both… but then again it is an internet forum.

ok so manufacturers provide the technology to lock the pitch and make the process slightly easier/more efficient but people aren't allowed to use it for fear of being labelled some kind of poser? Rubbish.

^ me too

haha

Vinyl purists who slag off CDJs should consider boycotting combustion engines and travelling only on horseback.

Technological advancement. Deal with it.

And anyway, vinyl will be nothing more than a page on wikipedia soon enough (as will the term ‘vinyl purist’) … along with the switch many current djs have made either going completely digital or using several mediums there’s just too many kids getting into djing with cds and mp3s

Isnt it peculiar how vinyl stores, online, or physical shops themselves, TODAY always go out of stock on sought after titles.
bloody vinyl purists. Fuck off and go digital i say, and leave the vinyl for me to buy.

^ and?

and?

your statement above my previous post is shite. thats and.

shops selling out on particular records has no relation to a general move towards digital, or lack thereof.

look at sales of mp3s, are people buying mp3s and having them cut into vinyl???

edit - and besides, i said "soon enough" not right now... vinyl purists will grow old and stop stuffing around with turntables eventually.

no. isnt that up to the producers of the work in question?
music that you consider unpopular/shit in whatever format is not going to sell - end of story.
i am implying that masses still buy vinyl and will continue to buy it for the various reasons in argument throughout this thread. its all about your own preference isnt it?
not everyone is going to jump to digital...

errr wouldn't the selling out relate to the reduced amount of vinyl being made due to decreased sales?

not that i give a shit but it seems obvious

quite possibly in some cases.

when you say reduced amounts, it'd relate to particular genres. you dont see DJs mixing up the latest bloody cannibal corpse tracks on a pair of turntables.

for something like underground styles of house or techno, whatever it may be, vinyl still has a popular following, and i reckon it will continue.

i think it will always exist, but i dont thing you can call someone less talented depending on their choice of medium.

That is true indeed. a talented DJ is a talented DJ.

bias is inevitable.