Adl's no love for internationals in the club?

^^ it's whatever pays the bills for them and sponsorship.

FACT: When girls hear a song in the club that they have heard on the radio, they wet themselves.

When Tensnake dropped Coma Cat the other night, i'm pretty sure everyone in the club, even those who wouldn't even have known Tensnake was playing that night, knew that song because its on the radio.

I think Spark is on the money here. Club culture begins with radio. Think back to the early days of house in Chicago with radio shows like the Hot Mix 5, which was run by DJs and played new underground music (yes i have watched the 'pump up the volume doco'). Fresh are the big culprits here, but they also have the influence and power to change things. But as Chronic said, its whatever pays the bills.

Dreaming Daisies was so good, as was Club Escape

^^ this is true. But to get the maximum number of twenty something blah-blah-blahs they have to play cheedar.

They don't have to they choose to.

So whos keen to start a station that play proper dance music?

http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_311058

I personally don't have the same desire to head to clubs like I used too. I remember back 2002-2005 when Fabric, Wind Up, Traffic etc etc used to nearly have an international every week, some worked, some failed, but it was fun.

These days it has to be something pretty special for me to even bother, which sucks but I know I'm not the only one thats like that now, pretty much everyone I went out with back in those days is the same. A lot of the time I'm not even hearing about something until after it happens, but I'm not looking that hard either. I really wanted to go see DJ T after Steresonic, but it was too f*cking hot and I was partially dead.


Seeing Villalobos play at Stereos too less then 100 people was pretty cool tho, certainly a contrast from seeing him play to a jam packed Fabric in London.

^^ Sounds like you getting older like the rest of us. What is needed is the young cannon fodder.

All that said tho I was rather excited about seeing Radioslave @ Rocket...only to discover it isn't happening, which wasn't that suprising really... It was August or something ridiculous when it was first announced.

Not suprising shr3d, but there goes back to my first post. If Radio Slave was actually booked to play Rocket this Friday night, where was the fucking promotion? No hype at all... no radio promotions? no flyers slapped around town? the only flyers i see slapped around the place at the moment are Roger Sanchez's beach poof party... street mag? A thread on a forum with a very small fraction of members (being us in SA) isnt going to do promotional justice, and Facebook is shit as well, over half the people i know don't even fucking use it... Was it cancelled in fear of another DJ T stereo sonic afterparty failure? As far as i could search, Ambar in Perth now has RS booked for the Friday night.
lots of quality missed, for what could have been some cracker club shows in Adelaide in the last three months.

But what is Radioslave fee? Are you going to front the cash for flyers / posters, radio ads? Usually promoters will stay tight lipped about what they have coming up as more often than not the numbers just don't add up. There is not point doing a show leaving yourself out of pocket.

The model running accross most of adelaide at the moment is that the promoter takes the door and the venue makes money over the bar. This system will never work as there is always a conflict of intrest unless the promoter can pack the club every time. Which in this town is near impossible.

Clubs for the most part don't always have the connections to get good acts (I can think of about three that do). They need promoters to keep the acts coming which in turn keeps the heads buying drinks at the bars and the scene alive. At the moment this is not happening as th promoters are afraid of fronting up all of thier cash for a show that will at best break even. (That does not take in to account the time the promoter has put in which can be significant).

So we are left with a sytem that doe not work here. The promoters don't want to put up the money. The venues don't understand the music game so they are very reluctant to put the cash up.

So unless you have the cash to start your own bar where do you do shows?

Everyone has somthing to loose, but no one has a solution.

The comment about fresh fm being the most under utilised resource in Adelaide is spot on.

Fresh fm has a considerable audience of young people, alot of whom are forking out $150 several times a summer to go to crappy festivals and if were exposed to better music would be totally keen to support quality club shows. Maybe someone should put on a show playing quality non cheese techno and minimal?

beats & pieces 11am - 1pm on sundays is superb

beats and pieces on Sunday is an absolute winner. always chuck it on at lunch time outdoors on Sunday

deep is a very cool show, they should kick quint essential off and give ezee george his Friday slot. great guest mixes, always a bit of variety. sorry juddo, put the jazzy shit to bed

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beats and pieces

Beats & pieces, shift and deep are top shows always keen to tune into those. Soul Good with Bill Fragos on Sunday nights? Not that I'm a huge dnb, dubstep/glitch hop (bass heavy) or breaks fan (although i don't mind a listen) but rollers, bass bin and beyond the breaks seem to be doing good things for their respective scenes. It seems as though whatever EDM scene you're into, or hip hop for that matter, there are quality shows for your taste on at least one night or early morning of the week. It just seems to be during the day when a majority of people are listening that the cheese really gets pumped eg on the way to and home from work.

Soul Good is top notch. Also Gootz always plays killer trance sets on Fresh! Drop zone, etc.

I feel compelled to mention this... (please excuse me, im feeling a little ranty).

i went to session victim last night, (international house act, which was REALLY good)... and there was hardly anyone there.
What the hell is going on adelaide, get your shit together seriously.

The main reason I come to these forums is to see what is on/what is coming up. I noticed that not a lot of the shows/gig gets put up here as much as they used to.
For example, I happened to see a tiny poster for Brennan Green on a wall near Sugar, but nothing on inthemix. Had it not been on a Thursday I would have definately been there. Another example was Stacey Pullen at Savvy, it wasn't posted till 3 days before the event.
I'd personally like to hear and try new music/djs, but if I don't know about it, I can't get to the show. I occasionally flick through free magazines like Rip It Up and find them quite useless. I got no idea if Onion mag still exists, I haven't seen it around. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

Onion mag merged with rip it up.

I did mention that there are some quality shows on Fresh and the above comments are all what I was trying to steer clear of. Alex your right people do need to get involved to make change at Fresh however I don't want to donate a heap of my time to do a show at 10pm on a weeknight when there is not that many people are listening. It needs to be broader change than that. I was hopefull of change when Mal took over a few years back but he quit as he could not make change as the station manager.

As has been said Fresh got its community licence as a youth radio station.

What is needed is a dance music licence. Where the music is quality and the presenters have at least had some training in how to conduct themselves on air. I know the young guys at fresh do their best but sometimes it comes off real bad as far as presentation goes.

It just not viable for promoters / clubs to put on acts these days.

If you can get the same number of people with just locals, why spend $1500+ getting an international act who, in a lot of cases, draws a smaller crowd because of a possible increase in door price.

95% of people who go out these days go out to, A) pick up, B) get cheap drinks.

Personally, id love a Friday night venue in the cbd which runs from say 7pm - 1am, playing deep lounge house. Get a few after work drinkers there who want to relax, then some walk in traffic a little later in the night... perfect!

Venues, let me know if keen

This thread has been an interesting read. Like all things in life change is inevitable ... I doubt whether the club scene will revive in the near future with the current music/young people, as there seems little interest in seeking out exciting new music. Festivals will continue to thrive for a few more years yet (although how many times the same artists can be rolled out year after year is debatable).

Whilst the Adelaide music scene has virtually deceased (with a few notable exceptions Sugar, Dragonfly, Cuckoo), I really have no great desire to go out much anymore - but I would not swap the last 10 years of amazing music and events for anything. I have made so many great friends, got to see pretty much every DJ/producer/act that I wanted to ... and had a ball!

I would rather watch the EPL soccer on a Saturday night now :-)

I reckon day clubs (particularly outdoor) are an underutilised medium. I'm getting old, wife, mortgage, kids, career - I can't go out on a Sat night and ruin myself for the rest of the week. But if there were some decent daytime options I'd be there in heartbeat.

Imagine a regular outdoor club/party down at Henley square or something on a Sat/Sun arvo, sunset, beach, nice weather, international acts. Would be awesome.

Thank you! I have bookmarked Resident Advisor and Onion. Didn't onion originally start inside the ripitup magazine?

I also do realise there is facebook, but I never bothered getting an account. It's not my thing and I would never remember to check it. I occassionally look for a particular venue on that site if I'm looking for something specific.

And in the beginning there was Core

I think I may still have some copies of Core lying around. I have most Onions sitting on my shelf, they are going to be the Encyclopeadia of Adelaide clubbing!