Adl's no love for internationals in the club?

say it again, "this is Adelaide" "topic de ja vu"... not much activity in this part of the forum lately, so why not bring it out again...

are these festivals the only chance of landing quality contemporary international acts here in SA?

I didnt attend summadayze in rymill park the other day, but someone please tell me Nick Warren played to more than 30 c+nts standing on the grass pissing on...
If he or whatever other artist not playing the main stage happened to play a well promoted club show, surely it'd be a different story...

I know theres been a few club events with internationals go sour over the last few years, having to cancel at the last minute etc. but is there really fuck all interest for a friday/sat night show with a well known international underground artist?

is it all about $? if say, Loco Dice & Sven were booked for a side show here at <insert regular techno club here>, promoted properly, = a very likely capacity attendance @ venue, plus profit target easily achieved... and pingers are shit these days = bar raided, more profit!???

not having a dig at promoters doing what they do, but is it just not worth doing any more? can't be farked?

The Adelaide night scene is dead.

End of story.

same story with stereosonic. probably the best techno line up adelaide has seen for a while, and no more than 100 c+nts there all day.

but hang on...at last years future music when dubfire and sven played, that massive undercover tent/stage was almost packed. what gives adelaide?

there were a few hundred for Mills.

Apparently DJ Sneak only had 5 people!

Are you referring to international acts in general, or just the techy side?

Not just the techy side Adam - i know there are a few popular internationals that land here for a Saturday night at a regular west end night spot. But even with that joint- same swedish and dutch jokers on rotation throughout the year... fark that.
I'd actually make an effort to set foot in the place for the first time in years if they threw a big name international act - (ffs even Carl Cox) in there on a Saturday night... And I'm sure it would attract some others who dont regularly attend the venue for a sweedish house mafia special.

I see Ferry Corsten is lined up... for a Thursday Night? good luck with that...

How's it work? I know some of the venues in other cities are of a bigger capacity than this west end club, but do Melb, Syd, Perth and Bris have to pay Corsten more than Adl do for Friday/Saturday night shows? It's complete bullshit if the excuse is 'there is no profit throwing a show like that here on a Sat night'.

J Digweed gets (side) shows all over the joint if he's booked for a festival/ even if just a regular tour - Melb, Syd, etc. And those side gigs he plays at aren't exactly large scale capacity venues... how the fuck would that not work here?
the last time this guy played in a club here (/ or maybe it was Sasha, fuck knows) there would have been a line up flooding synagogue pl, bending all the way to target on rundle st...

I'd hate to be a promoter in Adelaide as it very hit and miss - you can't really say it's a new phenomena though, a decade ago I went to see Stacey Pullen at St Pauls and there was barely 100 people there.

For festivals I think it's heavily dependant on the stage -at Stereo if Redshape was on the main stage it probably would have had just as many people there as whoever it was that was playing. If you are not main-stage or significant side stage you won't have the numbers. The likes of you tent at Future 2010 was in a good spot and undercover which I think helped the crowd build a little.

And how many people who like more underground/legendary/interesting acts really go out all the much today???

Was there only 8000 people at Summadayze?

went to the summadayze... rekkin about 5500 turned up on the day!

saw nick warren, he played an amazing set, there were about 70 people scattered under trees watching and one dude peaking front and centre [not me]...

i was also at the last few FMF here aswell and i remember last year in the circus tent, and it was pretty rammed most of the day [for adelaide standards at least] and i have also seen Sven Vath rock the main stage with the whole crowd jumping at FMF about 3 years ago.. i think if there is a balance between cheese/tunes/stroking on all stages it might go some way in exposing people to many different sounds!

as someone that would probably attend more local clubs which push these sorts of sounds, i dont currently cos i find most of them to be very insular and not as enjoyable as the pub with mates, however if that were to change well maybe i would go to more things? some of the dj's might like to get more involved with each others events/shows/clubs and possibly some things could change, well they would at my end at least!

Bring Stafford Brothers and you'll see a strong 3000+ crowd at a club along with a lineup out the door yet bring anyone else half decent and expect to see 20 people.

I went to Ferry Corsten last year, that had a decent crowd (well, 300) yet Gods Kitchen in Adelaide brought in like 100 people. Very dissapointing.

Just blame it on the shit pills.

Really? I was there the whole time, too! I swear it was more empty then that!!

Either that or I was just too drunk to realize lol.

in comparison to Melb and Sydney we do get shafted in terms of touring acts, but it's not all doom and gloom. I spent some time in New York and Chicago and as great as that was (and it was pretty great), some of the most memorable DJ sets I saw last year were right here in Adelaide (like Dettmann and Rick Wade, honourable mentions to Harvey, Dan Bell). Sure the crowds weren't great (though they weren't always awful), but sometimes small crowds can be a blessing in disguise. Anyway I guess I'm saying that while I'd rather live in a bigger city, it could definitely be worse.

I guess a lot of venues aren't willing to take a gamble on bringing big names over. especially large venues, that need to pull huge amounts of people to make the night break even. the larger the venue, the more bar staff, security, and tech staff you need to pay to keep it running.

There might be few and far between big acts in Adelaide, but I'm sure anyone that was at the last Andy C show at HQ would agree, it's worth it when they arrive!

Festivals are generally booming. It's killing the club scene.

Acts that would come and charge a do-able fee for a club are being paid double to triple to play a festival.

Unfortunately due in some extent to our festivals sharing dates with Melbourne a fair few of these internattys are playing sparsely attended early arvo festival spots on small stages.

I think if we asked DJ Sneak would he prefer to be paid $XXX for a pumping 200 person club gig or $double-that for a festival slot playing to 5 people (like he did at Stereos) he'd probably go for the club gig next time round. (he's a real house-gangsta!).

I'd say the same for Mills / Redshape / Luciano / Villalobos etc too.

I predict a swing away from festivals and back towards the clubs in next year or two.

shiiiiiiit just as I'm writing that I see the banner above hahaha

Beck’s Festival Bar once again serves up eclectic sounds and cutting-edge music. Sydney!

Henrik Schwarz
Cobblestone Jazz
Octave One
DJ Garth just to name a few lol

Ask the kids at Apple or Circus or even Savvy for that matter who those four artists are and I bet ya get fark all response back

the promoters who were doing the australian club tours have upsized and are now responsible for, or are assisting with, getting the acts for the festivals. the acts are being offered to the same promoters, but it is probably easier for them to on sell them to a festival for a guaranteed 4-5 gigs, instead of having to reach out to seperate promoters in each state in the hope that the other states will pick up the tour. then you have to factor in that there are dodgy promoters who may not pay all they need to, or an honest promoter may lose money on an event, so the guy organising the tour has to wear the extra cost. these risks disappear when you hand the artist over to a large scale festival as you are only dealing with the one promoter, and the festivals are guaranteed thousands of attendees, while a club gig may struggle to get 200 heads.

i beleieve that there is a massive opportunity for more side shows/after parties if they were done correctly. a jeff mills/redshape after party would have been absolutely bananas if done right, a sneak after party would have been dope too! problem is, we are still living in adelaide, and any prime side gig opportunities are gonna get gobbled up by syd/melb.

certainly wasnt much love for a DJ T afterparty!

With the kind of heat we had on the day of Stereos I dont think many peeps were keen to go clubbing afterwards. All I wanted to do was head to someone's his-ouse and chillax.

Unless your music contains annoying mosquitos you won't pull a crowd at the festivals.. BOTTOM LINE!!

So many decent acts have come through festivals but had poor support, yet if they had side shows they would be packed out..
The majority of todays punters obviously have no clue and are just a bunch of sheep.. no wonder I quit playing every week as I just can't deal with the way it's all gone.. almost every venue plays the shame shitty music and the punters wouldnt know good music if it slapped them in the face

I think part of it as well is that when someone good does come, a lot of the time the numbers just dont make it up...
How is it possible that dettmann got what... all of 30 people?
omar s got maybe 50... ?
I dont know if the adelaide scene is dead... but as someone else mentioned, we have to compete with festivals, and melbourne and sydney...
I really do hope though, that things start picking up again, that there are more sideshows and club gigs (not a fan of festivals, neither the price nor the crowds).
sugar has some good things lined up for the next month or so though!!
on a side note, would love to see henrik schwarz...

I know last night (on a Thursday mind you), Sugar was full for Tensnake & Brennan Green and HQ Soho room had a pretty much full house for a DnB international Netski.....not bad going

Bingo Mr. S!! The masses are the masses, and listen to what is fed to them, i.e. most radio stations. Most people can't be stuffed researching music and finding what genre they truly like, regardless what their friends like. Sad but true. True music fans regardless of what they are into make up a very small percentage of the population.

All I will say is as good as the Techno stage was at stereosonic in terms of music and artists, standing around in the sun and dust with millions of dollars of fake tans and big sunglasses walking past all day is nothing like a good old warehouse party, or seeing one good dj in a club, ie Dan Bell at Sugar, Steve Bug at Cuckoo or oldschool, HMC at Underdale uni, Thomas Heckman at Noarlunga, or Richie Hawtin at Lion Arts. If I win the lotto, I'm buying a big warehouse in an Industrial area (no noise complaints) and the promoters can go nuts!!

Promoting a show for a techno international here is always going to be bloody risky, but people pull it off with a bit of innovation - Deetron and Steve Bug's nights were both excellent.

robert hood was a highlight last year, so awesome!
Seemed to pull a decent crowd as well...

God where to start with this .....

There are people in this town bringing down touring international acts. They aren't every saturday night but they do happen regularly.
A large percentage of these are not supported by the people who know the music, half of the people in attendance are just there because they have stumbled across it by chance...

Lets think about this... This is some stuff that i can recall from the past 2 years, all "quality contemporary international acts"

Steve Bug
Glimpse
Tom Trago
Robert Hood
Luca Baccetti
Recloose
Sammy Dee
Kon (Kon & Amir)
Rick Wade
Jay Shepheard
Daypak & Padberg + Marcel Knopf
Pepe Bradock
Kevin Griffiths

Thats just one club....... And there are a number of other promoters/clubs who support quality underground music, in Adelaide, on a regular basis.

Adelaide underground clubs ain't dead. They are just pining for their people

*sings

"You can find me in the club, bottle full of bub, look mami I got the X if you into taking dwugs,
Im into having sex I aint into makin love, so come give me a hug if you into getting rubbed!"

Couldn't agree more with who is bill. I wrote a similar post a few days ago listing many great internationals who played in adelaide in 2010. Then i hit the wrong button when i tried to post it and it disappeared. Ha. Anyway, that list is more comprehensive then mine, (i will mention linkwood though as he was dope and no one has mentioned his great set) but my point in my vanished post was the same as who is bill's, and papanikolas put it well too. People in adelaide whine about no djs coming here, then don't bother turning up when they do. How can anyone expect we will get any more international acts here if people don't show support for the ones that are brought over? Kudos to cuckoo for being brave enough to bring that many acts over in the first place.

I think the acts are coming. But as has been said the young kids are not in to quality music. Lets face ti as you get older you go out less as your life can change. I am in this boat I don't go out four nights a week any more but I still go out sometimes.
The trick is getting the peeps who are out all of the time to stop going to Red Square and start coming to the clubs supporting the quality acts. Relying on the old guys who have kids and mortgages will never work.

Maybe what we need is more devlopment of the youth market? A music confernce or somthing like that? We can't rely on Fresh FM as they just promote garbage most of the time (Its probably the most under utilised resource the music scene has). Perhaps a few of us should get together and start a proper radio station that only plays quality music. Then you can reach the masses and fill the clubs.

I know I will most probably get flamed for bashing Fresh but thats my 2c. There are some quality shows but they are on odd times and not when the masses listen.