 11 May 2004, 2:52pm | #1 |
| Chrysoula Away  | Sweatfest 2004 Tour- C&C Music Factory, Snap and KLF Hey all for your info.. 02:07:22 mushroombaby> i love doggiestyle! |
| Sweatfest 2004 Tour- C&C Music Factory, Snap and KLF |
Sweatfest 2004 Tour- C&C Music Factory, Snap and KLF
| 11 May 2004, 3:05pm | #2 |
| Yancey ITM SA Editor  | very JUSTIFIED but more impotantly ANCIENT This is your life and it's ending one remix at a time.... |
| 11 May 2004, 3:06pm | #3 |
| LOCSmiley The Judge  | barbara tucker - bring that shit on!!!! This Week at The Cumby: |
| 11 May 2004, 3:27pm | #4 |
| AGENTSMITH Registered User | OMFG.... I thought they'd all be dead by now.... |
| 11 May 2004, 3:30pm | #5 |
| dj_terence battlerecordsareexpensive  | I thought one of the guys from C&C died from AIDS or something for a school with no Asian kids, I think we put on a pretty darn good science fair |
| 11 May 2004, 3:39pm | #6 | |
| The Devil Cammyxxoo & Chrysoula | Re: Sweatfest 2004 Tour- C&C Music Factory, Snap and KLF Quote:
does that mean 1 hour each? and is this like a Ultrasonic tour where it is only the singer/mc and their friend? BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW. |
| 11 May 2004, 3:41pm | #7 |
| Mayday ITM Moderator  | I think youre right. |
| 11 May 2004, 4:02pm | #8 | |
| AGENTSMITH Registered User | Quote:
I was meaning from old age.  |
| 11 May 2004, 6:04pm | #9 |
| Drexciya Registered User  | Yeah the 2 guys from the KLF must be like almost 50 if not already. Still I like there early stuff. There first album 'Chill Out' is pretty good, there stuff before they got really famous when they were making all that ambient stuff, and they have all the elements they used later when they got famous already in tracks. dunno whether to check this out cause i guess they will only be playing there hits like dr who and last train to transcentral, would have been better if they had the shamen though FOR THOSE WHO KNOW |
| 11 May 2004, 11:28pm | #10 |
| NTrance Registered User  | KLF guys used to live in my home town on Aylesbury in the UK ... another pointless fact |
| 12 May 2004, 1:20am | #11 |
| LucasYork Registered User  | 75 million records my arse tho LOL |
| 12 May 2004, 4:04am | #12 |
| BuzsteR Chillster.  | would love to see them i think ... "together what i dream, |
| 12 May 2004, 8:09am | #13 | |
| drwahwah Registered User | Quote:
They would be about 50 check out Bill Drummonds book "45" from a few years back (when he was 45) that covers what he has been upto from his 33rd year to his 45th and says he won't do anything in the music industry until he is 78 The KLF left the building many years ago and have publically sworn never to reform (although they may release one new record already recorded ...when there is world peace  )so this is not the KLF but a singer who voice was sampled by KLF !  Dodgy Promotion all round but this has been going on in music business for years with 60's Acts like the Temptations and Supremes touring with 1 singer who once sang backup on 1 record. EDIT some info from from undercover.com KLF Tour Sparks New Controversy Wanda Dee, whose song 'To The Bone' was sampled by The KLF and became the centre of legal action, is out on the road touring in a KLF show. Wanda Dee still has many unresolved issues with The KLF, the studio creation of James Cauty and Bill Drummond. "I had a solo career long before The KLF" Wanda tells Undercover News. "I wasn't invited; I was ignited into The KLF and not by a generous invitation. They stole my voice from my rap hit which sold over 500000 copies". Wanda is on her way to Australia as part of Sweatfest, a dance tour promoted as featuring The KLF, C+C Music Factory and Snap. "I am not touring as The KLF" she insists. "I am touring as Wanda Dee of The KLF. I have nothing to do with how the promoters promote it. I do everything in my power to make sure that the people know that the performers are coming out and not the producers. Again, the producers created that whole confusion. I am a solo entity and have always been a solo entity. Due to the fact that they didn't honour my contract with them, we did track them down and had to pull them by the coat-tails and get them to properly credit me for publishing. By the time we caught up with them they had not taken all of the publishing but most of it. I had to settle with them. They were supposed to give me a feature credit in the video as part of my contract and they were supposed to give me an extra track that they were to produce as part of my agreement but they kept my track, they still have it to this day. They didn't credit me. They in turn caused all the confusion". When contacted by Undercover, KLF founder James Cauty said he did not approve of the tour. The Sweatfest tour also features C+C Music Factory but the sole C+C representative in the show is Barbara Tucker, who was only ever credited as one of their dancers and choreographers. C+C Music Factory on CD was Robert Clivilies and David Cole. Cole passed away in 1995 from Spinal Meningitis. The voices of C+C were Freedom Williams and Zelma Davis, neither of which are touring with this show. Although she never sang on a C+C CD during their heyday, Robert Clivilies has endorsed Barbara's use of the C+C name. In a statement he says "as the last surviving co-creator, co-producer and sole remaining owner of the C+C Music Factory name and franchise, there is only (1) one current incarnation of my multi-platinum group that has been personally sanctioned by my office to rightfully and legally use the name in conjunction with live concert performances and events both domestically in the U.S. and internationally around the world; and that is the C+C Music Factory show featuring Barbara Tucker". Despite the questions of legitimacy surround The KLF and C+C part of the show, the Snap component does include original member Turbo B. from KLF online heres some further info about Wanda and her connection with the KLF and shes married to Leroy from Fame  Wanda Dee is a dancer, singer, and performer. The KLF sampled vocal snatches from her "erotic rap" record 'To The Bone' on Tuff City Records and included them in WTIL? and the single version of LTTT. When Wanda's manager/husband (Leroy from Fame!) heard these records they sued the KLF and the out-of-court settlement was that Wanda would get a cash payment, co-writing credits on these songs, and hence publishing royalties, and appearances in the videos for these songs. I expect that if the KLF had known the trouble she would cause them they wouldn't have sampled her. It's up to you to decide whether the non-inclusion of "I wanna see you sweat" and "Come on boy d'ya wanna ride" would have detracted from these songs. Since the KLF's retiral Wanda has performed hundreds of dates round the world under the names "The KLF featuring Wanda Dee", "Wanda Dee and The New KLF", "Wanda Dee and the KLF experience" and so forth, which *strangely* always seem to be advertised by promoters as just "The KLF". Bill and Jimi have nothing whatsoever to do with these "concerts" and would like very much to see them stopped, but it's difficult to pursue legal action against her unless she performs in the UK, and they can't really be bothered with the hassle. Whenever Wanda is questioned (either by the press or KLF fans in the audience of one of her shows) she comes up with an explanation somewhat like this: All 90's dance music is constructed in the studio by production teams and this can never be recreated live on stage. However the performers (dancers singers etc) on the record can play live. She says she is the co-writer and singer of all the biggest hits on The White Room and she was the reason those songs were hits! agitate! educate! organise! |
| 12 May 2004, 9:51am | #14 |
| Mr S Vinyl Pimp  | Interesting read Drwahwah.. I had my suspicions! |
| 12 May 2004, 11:21am | #15 | |
| sixer RESTRAINED  | Quote:
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| 12 May 2004, 1:41pm | #16 | |
| cammyxxoo Well, EXCUSE ME!  | Quote:
There is wheel chair access at Heaven right... So, will Barbara Tucker (dancer for C+C) just be dancing to their songs..? That aside, I'm there - this sounds rad!  *Now* Voted Best Link On ITM (by me): http://www.inthemix.com.au/gallery/index.php?authid=11649 |
| 12 May 2004, 3:27pm | #17 | |
| drwahwah Registered User | Quote:
All I know is that Im keen to track down Wanda's track "to the bone" now for a listen and she was the first female Hip Hop DJ and inductee in the Zulu Nation in her early teens and appeared in the movie Beat Street so she does deserve some R.E.S.P.E.C.T and In the interest of giving the other sifde of the KLF/Wanda Story here is Wanda herself telling it how it is for her in an email to KLFONLINE I may even check it out for myself .....I love her ending about mu mu land Dear One: Please understand that an E-mail cannot convey a person's "tone", so please know that mine is without shade, malice or ill will of any kind towards you, although you've reported and/or read erroneous and inaccurate information about me onto the World Wide Web through your or various sites. I know that we live in an image conscience society where PERCEPTION IS GREATER THAN REALITY, but let me take but a moment to inform you of the REALITY of my situation with THE KLF... Bill Drummond & Jim Cauty... and SWEATFEST WORLD TOUR 2004. Take it for yourself or share it with the world... the choice is yours. I don't want vindication, validation and/or adoration... I simply want to inform the misinformed and misguided. Back in the early 90's Bill & Jimmy took one of my rap hits; "TO THE BONE" (in it's 12" vinyl fom) and illegally sampled ("stole") my voice from two different portions of my aforementioned self-written Hip Hop platinum selling hit of mine, and created two of the hooks to two of THEIR BIGGEST HIT RECORDS... ever ("WHAT TIME IS LOVE?" and "LAST TRAIN TO TRANCENTRAL"). Not only did they steal my line from my records (clearly a copyright infringment), but they also stole my voice... so correction #1, my love... I have NEVER been for The KLF, nor anyone else... "a session singer". I was a platinum selling rap star before I ever met them (the FIRST solo female artist in Rap Music to achieve that, for that matter). I was NEVER hired to do a session when these crimes against me and my copyrights were committed by Bill & Jimmy, who could have just as easily contacted the record label my rap record was on, called them up and "hired me" to do their hooks for them live. All contact info for any label is affixed to both the vinyl label and 12" jacket, so there was no excuse why they couldn't have simply did things RIGHT from the start. My manager/husband, Eric Floyd tracked them down successfully from our home in Virginia at the time, all the way in London and made them $ettle with me; also MTV America and Arista Records additionally put pressure on The KLF producers to settle with me -AND- add me to their videos before they would air them; causing them to have to spend over a million dollars re-shooting The Stadium House trilogy and including me in it from Pinewood Studios in London. With all of that pressure from so many sides... Bill and Jimmy were FORCED to be honorable about this. But what about the dozens upon dozens of other people's material they illegally raided, sampled and/or stole, who did not have a manager as diligent as mine or had the various powers-that-be working with them as I did? I think that only me, Andrew Lloyd Webber and another classic publisher who's name escapes me now, got settlements out of the Kopyright Liberation Front. But, I digress... In addition to my cash settlement, I was made a part of this groundbreaking album project, I also rightfully received a publishing share (even though tens of thousands had already been taken by The KLF without my involvement in the time it took me to track them down and settle), starring roles in their videos, album credits and (here's where the confusion started) a fully produced track by The KLF ("I DO AS I DAMN WELL PLEASE") to which they still hold my UN-produced master until this very day (over a decade now and counting) and separate featured credits on all video cards... i.e. THE KLF featuring WANDA DEE. Now you'd have to admit that had they simply been honorable and kept up their end of the settlement with me, these videos would have properly notified the world that THE KLF and WANDA DEE were (indeed) two separate entities, however, Bill & Jimmy did NOT! And thus, by their own acts of greed and deceit, when the videos aired around the world, it appeared that I was part of THE KLF. Again, PERCEPTION IS GREATER THAN REALITY! Did I ask for any of this? NO! Did I ask them to illegally steal my voice and apply it to their records? NO! Did I ask them NOT to give me my featured credit on all music video airings? NO! In fact, to the contrary, I did everything I could to keep our interests and identitie separate. So what happened to me was simple... walking down the street in the early 90's... I get recognized time and time again as 'The Voice of The KLF'... 'The KLF Girl'... etc. So what do I do when my repeated pleas to Bill & Jimmy are ignored to "fix this", I do what any self respecting, strong, black woman would do... I turn a potential 'stumbling block' into a 'stepping stone'! I think like a survivor and not a victim, my love. Realizing that The KLF albums are part of my publishing now... I become hell bent on making this their biggest selling album ever, for ALL of our sakes, and I did what I do best... I hit the road... NONSTOP! I ask Bill & Jimmy and other KLF "session singers" to join me, but they all refuse, and Bill & Jimmy go so far as to ask Clive Davis to stop me (who signed them to Arista at the time and touted them as "The Next Beatles" until they flaked out on him and they were subsequently dropped from the label), but Clive calls me up directly in Shreveport, Louisiana and tells me... "Wanda, the stats don't lie... wherever you're touring in the world, The White Room LP is selling out, and right now because we can't seem to get any tour support cooperation from Bill & Jimmy, you keep on doing what you're doing because it's working... you're selling records by the truckload!" So with NO SUPPORT FROM ARISTA/BMG to stop me, Bill & Jimmy have been frustrated about this situation ever since and the decisions that they've made that have set things in motion back then and remain today, ever since. Again, I didn't ask for any of this... I didn't start any of this... but I did and do have every intention of finishing it and writing the happy ending to this chapter of my life and career; rather than sit mildly in a corner as the proverbial victim of yet another record industry horror story. Bill & Jimmy have NEVER toured, and like the groups C&C MUSIC FACTORY, BLACK BOX, SNAP!, TECHNOTRONIC and the like... THE KLF are the name of the producers... but the producers do NOT rap, sing, dance or perform in any way. So when this music must be brought to the masses, it is up to artists like me and the other lead singer/rappers of the aforementioned groups, such as Maxine Harvey, P.P. Arnold, Samantha Brown, Ya Kid K, Turbo B., Freedom Williams, Martha Wash, Loleatta Holloway, Jocelyn Brown, Penny Ford, Thea Austin, Zelma Davis, Trilogy, Barbara Tucker, etc. to bring the party to the people. READ the facts... KNOW the facts... STATE the facts... read my bio... it does not mince words nor sugar coat the past between me, Bill & Jimmy. For there's no shame in my game. THE KLF is but a speck in my entire career, but a lucrative one. And I, like you, believe that they are two of the most innovative and best producers the music industry has ever had... and being that I was signed to Stock, Aitken & Waterman's PWL Records (Bill & Jimmy's own mentors) twice; I've worked with some of the very best the U.K. has to offer. And in closing, let me state for the record that I am (by far) not a religious woman, but most definitely a spiritual one, and I therefore, feel that all things are by Divine Design, because God can do all things but one... and that's 'MAKE A MISTAKE'! So whatever Bill & Jimmy did in the early 90's to thrust my name, voice, image and persona into The KLF mix, I'm sure that they were merely being obedient to The Spirit that governs and guides us all. And I too now am being equally obedient to that same Spirit, by keeping The KLF repertoire in my live shows when out on the road with my own Kinky Love Force. And I must be doing something right, for since 1991, my act remains in constant demand internationally some ten months a year every year around the world (w/over 150 countries visited on 6 continents) and remains unchallenged until this day as 'the only touring KLF show in the world'... if you want to experience THE KLF music live... there simply has NEVER been, nor is there now... an alternative. Now these are the FACTS. What you do with them... is up to you. But let the record show that you have been informed. Do not judge me or anyone unless you've walked a day in their mocassins. If you were in my shoes, what would you have done, I wonder? Go softly & gently into the night... or fight for what's fair & right in (by far) the most treacherous & lecherous industry on earth; where only the strong survive & thrive in it!? Again, I didn't ask for any of this, nor did I apply... I was NEVER invited into THE KLF, I was (instead) ignited... by their own hand! God(dess) with you always, Wanda Dee CEO GODDESS EMPIRE INC. PS: I've moved on with various solo releases and projects since The KLF, including my forthcoming 'MultiPop', 18-track, debut, solo, full-length, double enhanced CD; "THE GODDESS IS HERE!" on my own G.E.R.L. (Goddess Empire Record Label); which I'm in negotiations now with a major to release worldwide. So contrary to popular belief, I have not hung my hat up on The KLF hook with intentions of riding off into the sunset of Mu Mu Land. 'nuff said. agitate! educate! organise! |
| 12 May 2004, 4:27pm | #18 |
| JamRock frEEkeR  | hell yeah - you go girl! JEFF MILLS - MOTOR CITY |
| 12 May 2004, 4:30pm | #19 | |
| LOCSmiley The Judge | Quote:
um barbara tucker is the singer This Week at The Cumby: |
| 12 May 2004, 4:35pm | #20 |
| Chrysoula Away | Cammy yes there is wheel chair access. Email me if you like and I can put you onto someone there that will be able to let you know all about that. 02:07:22 mushroombaby> i love doggiestyle! |
| 12 May 2004, 5:43pm | #21 | |
| drwahwah Registered User | Quote:
Yes and a damm fine one but was never "credited" as singer with C&CMF agitate! educate! organise! |
| 12 May 2004, 5:55pm | #22 |
| LOCSmiley The Judge | too true - check out the take off of it in Fear of a black hat This Week at The Cumby: |
| 12 May 2004, 11:02pm | #23 |
| Syk Syd psychedelic trance~mitter  | wanda shmonda can go fuk herself! when i got home from the weekend, i flicked on the light n flicked on the television....no matter how hard i flicked i still couldnt get that boogie of my finger! |
| 12 May 2004, 11:27pm | #24 |
| TeK - Tycoon technophile | on a similar note, readin those texts.. i fukn loved BLACK BOX, first electronic tracks that made me prick my ears up to that sound. ______________________________ |
| 13 May 2004, 8:59am | #25 |
| NTrance Registered User | Totally agree with you Tek Tycoon, Blackbox were wicked. I still have all those singles - Ride on Time and Strike it up still sound as good today as when they came out. I also loved Technotronic |
| 13 May 2004, 1:49pm | #26 |
| Chrysoula Away | I liked them too along with 2 Unlimited and Black box too. The joys of having an older very cool aunty that used to like and listen to all this stuff. She's coming along with me to Sweatfest should be good fun.. 02:07:22 mushroombaby> i love doggiestyle! |
| 13 May 2004, 3:21pm | #27 | |
| The Devil Cammyxxoo & Chrysoula | Quote:
when they came out, i use to think they were a joke band or something. watching video hits in the old days, after seeing a klf clip then a 2 unlimited clip, they looked so cheap and nasty, real rush job just to cash in on the wave of other tracks coming out at the time. BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW. |
| 14 May 2004, 12:18am | #28 | |
| Syk Syd psychedelic trance~mitter | Quote:
was gonna but will resist on this occasion  i reckon black box were so so but inner city had the best vocal trax.. farkin loved "snappiness - bbg" & "killer - adamski" back then tho! when i got home from the weekend, i flicked on the light n flicked on the television....no matter how hard i flicked i still couldnt get that boogie of my finger! |
| 14 May 2004, 7:07am | #29 | |
| Drexciya Registered User | Quote:
Big Fun and Good Life were classic tracks by inner city FOR THOSE WHO KNOW |
| 14 May 2004, 10:30am | #30 |
| Mr S Vinyl Pimp | Let's not forget "Pennies From Heaven" |
| 19 May 2004, 1:35pm | #31 | |
| cammyxxoo Well, EXCUSE ME! | Quote:
I was talking about this... The Sweatfest tour also features C+C Music Factory but the sole C+C representative in the show is Barbara Tucker, who was only ever credited as one of their dancers and choreographers. As she was only credited as the dancer... thought maybe she'd only be dancing (and maybe miming like Crystal Waters back in March!) I meant wheelchair access cos they're all so old now (realises that jokes don't carry too well with no tone on forums )Oooh, AND pink flyers - I'm def there *Now* Voted Best Link On ITM (by me): http://www.inthemix.com.au/gallery/index.php?authid=11649 |
| 19 May 2004, 2:38pm | #32 | |
| Chrysoula Away | Quote:
and here i was being nice and trying to accomodate to help you with wheel chair access cammy  Yeah we were talking the other day about the who and what regarding Barbara Tucker and that is correct. She was not credited for her vocals where the groups went on to proifit from the success. Will be interesting to see how things go on the night and I'm assured they put on a pretty specky live show and also bring out their own dancers with them. The flyers are a nice bright pink ( I love pink too :lol and I'll be there for sure. Going to be a good night of the old school sound. Cammy come say hi if your going to be there.02:07:22 mushroombaby> i love doggiestyle! |
| 19 May 2004, 3:24pm | #33 | |
| cammyxxoo Well, EXCUSE ME! | Quote:
He he he - I'll know next time when I bring my granny that there's wheel chair access It's all good.I'm sure it will be a great night - just playing all those old toons will be excellent! I'll be sure to come find you and your aunty!  *Now* Voted Best Link On ITM (by me): http://www.inthemix.com.au/gallery/index.php?authid=11649 |
| 19 May 2004, 3:31pm | #34 | |
| Chrysoula Away | Quote:
no worries.. Yeah my aunty's cool and only in her mid 30's. She's funny cause she dances more than us when she does get the chance to go out. Yeah old style tunes are gonna be wicked. I'm already looking excited and keen to get along to this one.I'll either be on the dance floor or my usual haunt around bar 3... 02:07:22 mushroombaby> i love doggiestyle! |
| 19 May 2004, 3:34pm | #35 | |
| cammyxxoo Well, EXCUSE ME! | Quote:
Around Bar 3, or on the floor around Bar 3 Come find me if you see me first *Now* Voted Best Link On ITM (by me): http://www.inthemix.com.au/gallery/index.php?authid=11649 |
| 19 May 2004, 4:19pm | #36 | |
| Chrysoula Away | Quote:
I'm not that much of a trashbag.. though Thursday night I was a bit  Alll good. Yeah will be sure to say hello..02:07:22 mushroombaby> i love doggiestyle! |
| 21 May 2004, 3:32am | #37 |
| rodd_aladdin Registered User | Sweatfest Hey all, |
| 21 May 2004, 9:20am | #38 |
| JamRock frEEkeR | so please JEFF MILLS - MOTOR CITY |
| 21 May 2004, 9:20am | #39 | |
| EightBall Registered User  | Quote:
My Home Town was also Aylesbury (Quack Quack) I went to school with Conrad Thompson AkA MC Conrad - LTJ Bukem ring a bell? PM me man would be good to see who you are...... Movement - Jono Fernandez - Friday 3rd December - Phoenix Bar - Oxford Street |
| 21 May 2004, 11:08am | #40 |
| cammyxxoo Well, EXCUSE ME! | Anyone know the price of this yet..? *Now* Voted Best Link On ITM (by me): http://www.inthemix.com.au/gallery/index.php?authid=11649 |