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Seven nightclubbers hospitalised
February 8, 2004 - 8:05PM


Seven Adelaide nightclubbers hospitalised may have taken drugs from a bad batch, police said.

One of the seven remained in intensive care at Royal Adelaide Hospital but most others had been discharged, a police spokesman said.

All reported feeling unwell and complained of drug-related symptoms, the spokesman said.

Police were continuing investigations and had not ruled out the nightclubbers having been affected by a bad batch of the designer drug ecstasy.

The seven, including four females, were rushed by ambulance from the Heaven nightclub on West Terrace on Adelaide's city fringe between 2am and 5am (CDT) on Sunday, police said.

They were treated at the Royal Adelaide Hospital amid police warnings that any other nightclubbers who felt sick should seek medical attention.

The police also want to know why two of the girls in question were 15...

Being someone who doesnt take drugs of any kind Im none too willing to get involved in a debate on the subject, but I must say it's unfortunate that something like this happened, because it puts a large number of people at risk, all because someone made a mistake.

I doubt there were 15 year olds in Heaven. They are very strict on ID checking in that place.

That article really does not say anything at all now does it?

They "may" have taken drugs"
They "may" have had a bad batch...


They also "may" have had food poisoning from a popular fast food restaurant near by...

Id be interested to know what really happened personally.

Thing like this amaze me.
If you are gonig to take drugs why on earth would you buy them from a dodgy fucker in a club that you don't know.
People, if you're going to take drugs at least they could be responsible about it.
Silly people.

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Originally posted by NudeNut
Thing like this amaze me.
If you are gonig to take drugs why on earth would you buy them from a dodgy fucker in a club that you don't know.
People, if you're going to take drugs at least they could be responsible about it.
Silly people.

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I doubt Heaven can be held responsible for this.

They have the srtictest entry checks of any club in town but if the girls have good fake idea, what can be done?

Also, chances are they bought the pills elsewhere so thats also something the club cant control. I think I heard theyve caught the **** who sold the pills so hopefully he'll get his punishment for selling the shit.

I keep hearing varying reports of what the 'bad' drug is.

*shrug*

Good thing I stay away from all that shit.

the news said it was fantasy?

So far we have not heard anything bar heresay. I agree that Heaven as an entity can not be held responsible at all for this, and I doubt that anyone will try to, especially considering they are very cooperative with Police and other authorities as far as I am aware, ie letting police in all the time, good door policies etc.

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Originally posted by shr3dder
the news said it was fantasy?

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`Bad' ecstasy hits teenage victims
By Police Reporter CHRISTOPHER SALTER
09feb04
FOUR underage nightclubbers – including two 15-year-old girls – were among seven people rushed to hospital after taking ecstasy tablets at a city nightclub, sparking concern from police and health authorities.

Other victims affected were girls aged 16, 17 and 20 and men aged 18 and 21.

All were rushed from the Heaven nightclub at 2.45am yesterday to the Royal Adelaide Hospital and treated for a drug overdose.

All victims except the 21-year-old man, who is in a stable condition, were released several hours later.

Police fear users of the illicit drug could overdose or die if the origins of a "bad batch" is not uncovered.

Acting Inspector Graeme Adcock, of Adelaide police, yesterday issued a plea for information about a strong batch of ecstasy now in circulation.

He said a group of friends had been partying at the nightclub when the seven people were overcome by the drug.

"Some were feeling sick, others were behaving irrationally and thrashing about," he said.

"They had an adverse reaction and the ambulances were called."

Patron of the Alcohol and Drug Council of Australia Professor Ian Webster said while better policing was important, education on drug dangers was the key to stopping this type of risky behaviour.

"Young people experiment whatever adults might think," he said.

"In these accidental situations, the problem usually occurs with not knowing what you're taking and using other substances at the same time."

He said about a third of overdose deaths occurred when illicit drugs were mixed with alcohol.

Following a police investigation, a 21-year-old Victorian man was arrested at a Wingfield house yesterday morning.

He is believed to be known by the victims and to have been at the nightclub when the incident occurred. The man has been charged with supplying a drug of dependence and was remanded in custody to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court this morning.

Acting Insp. Adcock said the origins of the tablets were still unknown and he urged the public to be cautious. He said drugs were in a tablet form and were pink, grey or white. Detectives believe they could have been manufactured in Victoria.

"It would be of concern if the bad batch remains," Acting Insp. Adcock said.

"Clearly the batch is of a dangerous quality and we must impress on people when making decisions to take illicit drugs that they do so knowing full well that the final analysis could be their death.

"Those drugs are made in environments where there is no quality control whatsoever so it is a very dangerous decision to make to take illicit drugs."

Acting Insp. Adcock said further arrests were possible following a police investigation. He said the management of Heaven nightclub would be spoken to regarding the underage patrons.

Heaven shareholder Damian Lester said that while he had not heard anything more than speculation about the age of patrons involved, the nightclub did everything it could to prevent underage people gaining access.

"Often children have fake IDs to get past the security guards but we're not in the habit of allowing underage people in," he said.

Mr Lester said the nightclub made a 100 per cent effort to check identification.

"Identification can be falsified and we confiscate those that we think are dodgy and we hand them to police," he said.

shr3dder is an under-age girl, he goes to heaven all the time.



I heard on the news (ch10): ecstasy, and 4 were under-age girls...

I find it funny that the young girls handled it better than the 21 year old bloke!!! He sounds softer than James M!

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Originally posted by Nodsta
I find it funny that the young girls handled it better than the 21 year old bloke!!! He sounds softer than James M!

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Originally posted by sixer


how do you know they bought it of a dodgy fucker they didnt know and not someone they know and trust ?

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Originally posted by NudeNut




Plus if you where seeling to people that you know would you sell them something that may harm them, I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Xpose


Coz i imagine dealers would generally have pretty high morals

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Hmm...

so maybe a pill of some description has been consumed... Any idea on markings or contents?

Might help stopping this happening again if the stuff actually was bad. Then again, who is to say the 15 year olds (if they were 15 that is) were experiencing their first time and didnt know what the effects of the drug actually are?

Education people!

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Originally posted by Mayday

Education people!

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Originally posted by Mayday
Might help stopping this happening again if the stuff actually was bad. Then again, who is to say the 15 year olds (if they were 15 that is) were experiencing their first time and didnt know what the effects of the drug actually are?

Education people!

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Originally posted by NOTSKI
"Some were feeling sick, others were behaving irrationally and thrashing about," he said.

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The news stated the pills had NO MARKINGS on them which is dodgy for starters.

hope that c#$% rots in hell for selling those, that or either gets put in jail for a very very long time

doubt Heaven will get its license taken away, they are the strictest club in Adelaide and the underage girls must have had fake IDs to get in

they're adament about checking all IDs at the door

still when I saw it on the news it made me shiver, glad to hear that most are ok now

What really happened here ? it would do more for harm reduction if the media atually reported the facts rather than automatically blaming extasy . Did they have ghb or pills? and if pills what the fuck did they look like so someone else's kids don't take them ?.

But there have been PMA pill around of late - Blue Barrels and i have heard there are some blank white looking Ketamine pills that are really strong and put you in the K-hole .

What did they take ?????

Firstly, Noddy and sixer - eat a dick I'm hard as nails and you know it.

Secondly, the media (as usual) can't get it right. The conflicting reports between fantasy and ecstacy are confusing. Accurate reporting could help ensure it doesn't happen again.

Thirdly, I don't think Heaven can be blamed for the under agers. We all know they have a pretty tight door policy at work. I have been refused entry a couple of times due to not having my ID on me.

Lastly: This is the risk we take kids. It's unfortunate, but hope it serves as a reminder for people who dabble to take as much caution as you possibly can.

My guess is that the fucker was trying to pass PMA pills off as ecstasy and maybe the quanity they had was so much that it put them all in hospital

Fantasy doesnt sound likely - but who knows, it would be nice if someone could get the facts right so everyone would be better informed

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Originally posted by JamesM
Firstly, Noddy and sixer - eat a dick I'm hard as nails and you know it.

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I know shitloads of girls who get into heaven using their sisters ID.


Bouncers must be bloody stupid to let them pass.. IM SORRY.


I doubt theyre using real fake ids, I know one place in canada which makes them with the holograms n stuff and its like $400 AUS.


Im sorry there should not be underagers in nightclubs. Maybe bouncers should look harder at the ID than at the chicks.

It's both their faults.


All the other clubs I go to, I rarely see girls who look underage, tho you go into Heaven and it's like OMG UNDERAGE AND OFF TAP PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.


Thats all I gotta say.

Oo

I should add, i dont think its heavens fault for people taking drugs.... but it is mainly their fault if underage guys/girls are getting into their venue.

no one else is to blame. sure there will always be a few... but not the amount which get through.

Its hard to police . Some people look older than they are some people look younger . If they have suitable id fake or not then its not the clubs fault .

Far out..

When you take an illicit substance there is ALWAYS a risk as there there are no quality control regulations. The onus is on the purchaser isnt it? No one is making them eat dodgy pills. They choose to buy them, they choose to eat them. Simple as that.

Until such time there are regulations on what goes into pills by them not being illicit (which will never happen) then its the users fault for ODing. Not a dealers for selling them dodgy stuff. You must assume all pills bought are 100% dodgy unless you have access to a GC/MS test (which not many people would have access to let alone know how to use).

that's where animal testing comes in. dealers should take it themselves first and see what happens.

Last nights news report stated one girl purchased a quarter then was giving another whole tablet she never asked for, Seems a touch dodge to me how many dealers give away freebies to strangers ??

Also good to see the Advertiser jumping all over bouncers today saying they let underagers in in exchange for sex in their breaks either carried out in club VIP rooms or alleyways near the clubs!

If their gettin sex in their breaks how come their still so goddam angry half the time

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Originally posted by Xpose
Last nights news report stated one girl purchased a quarter then was giving another whole tablet she never asked for, Seems a touch dodge to me how many dealers give away freebies to strangers ??

Also good to see the Advertiser jumping all over bouncers today saying they let underagers in in exchange for sex in their breaks either carried out in club VIP rooms or alleyways near the clubs!

If their gettin sex in their breaks how come their still so goddam angry half the time

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Originally posted by Xpose

Also good to see the Advertiser jumping all over bouncers today saying they let underagers in in exchange for sex in their breaks either carried out in club VIP rooms or alleyways near the clubs!

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Many MANY people who take drugs often don't know the consequenses or how to look after themselves on them.

And how many people who buy 'ecstacy' understands about things like K pills, PMA, etc etc? If you're curious, inexperienced or have no idea, you could well believe someone who says "Yeah, this is ecstacy, wanna buy some?" The vast majority of people have NO idea how MDMA works, and what you can do to help yourself while you're on it, or if you happen to have a bad pill.

The number of people who buy pills and eat them in a club means that there's no testing etc available, and even if they know or trust the person they get it off, like Kristian said, how do they know that the dealer didn't buy it offf some dodgy fucker.
The dealer could realise their mistake, be loaded up with dodge pills and sell them anyway.

While it is the responsibility of the taker to excercise some caution and to learn about what they're about to get into if they decide to take substances, there is always a risk, and people have to realise that.

I agree that it's not the club's responsibility... They often don't know if someone's selling pills and how could they know? There are also some VERY VERY convincing fake IDs going around. My mum got one off my (at the time) 14yo sister that said she was 18. She also wears clothes and makeup which make her look much older. If people are going to go underage into clubs, take drugs and not be aware of the consquenses, well that's their problem, not the clubs.

Apparently there is NO ECSTACY in SA at the moment - so it was most prob something different. Then again, he was from Melbourne, so maybe he had MDMA... rather than it being K or meth or PMA. Could it have been GBH - does that come pill form..?

Basically people - test your shit - either home test or make sure you know what you are buying (hard I know) but the second best way is to hear reports from people that have taken it - what did it do, how were they effected.

As dodgy as most dealers are try to work out a reputable one - don't just buy from some dodgy guy in a club. These people didn't know what they were having - cos there has been no report of what the batch was called etc - they don't even know if it WAS ecstasy or fantasy...

Heaven can't be held responsible for letting in underagers IF they took all the precautions - checked IDs etc. If they didn't check the IDs, let the girls in cos they gave sexual favours in the back alley - whatever - that is another matter.

Like LC said, get as much info as you can, RaveSafe, off the net, scientific papers - so you know what you are going to feel, what you're feeling and how you will feel after. Make sure people know what you've taken.

You're not going to irradicate drugs by closing ONE club, 2 clubs or even all the clubs in Adelaide. If you're not sure, don't buy it, don't do it.

This is pretty sad, and scary, cos no one really knows what happened. I reckon you'll find they might be cousins or something of the guy they bought it off of. And these 15 year olds - they aren't all naive I'm sure - sneaking into clubs at that age, then actually BUYING the stuff. I'm sure it's not the first time they've done it.

Final point - It's good to see on this forum that people are educated - well done guys!!

Perhaps the dealers can wear those T-shirts that had Aliens on them with the slogan 'Take me to your Dealer' it would be much easier to pick them out then!

Or 'Official Dealer' T-shirts!

... it's a bit of a worry at 15 tho', especially as it was probably not their first time either ... I blame the parents!

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Originally posted by cammyxxoo
Could it have been GBH - does that come pill form..?

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i met a family friend of the accused today

supposedly they had seen him earlier in the club, and he had been asking them for gear. according to the reports as well he was friends with the girls and gave them, not sold them to the girls.

if this is true you do have to feel sorry for him. shitloads of people buy gear for their friends, but he got the shit stuff.