forums - Heaven: Hate it then Love it????

Hey all just trying to suss something out!!

Ok alot of you that usually dont go to Heaven went the night of TAN (though I am assuming cause they had Lab 4 and the Systo room which is up most of your alleys)

And were there again the Thursday night just gone for the harder night at Chem and BK just recently passed

Up coming events being:

JXL and the MOS Annual Tour
Blank and Jones
Karim
Brisk
Carl Cox
Tiesto
Roger Sanchez and 4 Strings

So what I want to get is why is it ok for you all to bag the shit out of the place, the residents and myself (cause I make it known that I go there) yet when there is a big event you are the first to get tickets and go??

This isnt to cause an arguement or anything nor am I being a smart arse (shock horror I know) I am just curious as to why??

So I ask you itmer enlighten me cause I really am curious!!

Cheers
Chrys

ok fugn...
heres my low down

the venue is good!!! real good!!!
in limited doses though
(spent too much time there in the past already!)
i think that heavn is stage 1 clubbing, you then get jack of it and you then wanna go anywhere but

two good up and coming reasons however are carl cox
and tiesto

bad reasons, the crowd, the music and the crowd(on generic nights)
look, havnt you worked this out already???

by the way wasnt there for TAN, so cant comment

so there

KARIM isnt playing at heaven !

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Originally posted by sixer
KARIM isnt playing at heaven !

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Originally posted by Chrysoula


Well he was sposed to wasnt he? Sure I read it somewhere

Sorry my bad oddy...

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Ahh Ok so I'm not going mad then and did read it.. So Where is he playing?? Just at EF??

heaven is a very good venu, really huge when u open all of it out and a really nice sound n' lighting

i think it is just the normal crowd that goes there ... not u of course but i mean the werid one's.

ill be at heaven for

JXL and the MOS Annual Tour deff !
Blank and Jones deff !
Carl Cox deff !
Tiesto maybe ! but i so wanna see him.

just coz they have to the funds to bring these people in

but i think they need 2 rooms, like one for like dn'b and the other for doof doof.

Heaven = best club venue in adelaide, by a country mile. Acoustics there are soooo much better than anywhere else its amazing. Dance floor = good size too.

I don't remember seeing anyone bag it on ITM (though I'm sure someone has), but if they did I'm sure it was either due to the generic club nights - Clubland etc - being shit (with the exception of Chem - sometimes) or due to the occasional violence that seems to occur there. Had a chuckle to myself at the whole "Twice as Knife" thing I must say.

I don't mind going there at all if there's something I wanna see, but generally the Traffic crew cater for my musical tastes much better than Heaven. Still I don't bag it, I just dont go there (much)

How good will Enchanted be?

LYW eLmoX

I go because the joy of seeing a DJ I want to see outweighs the risk of stabbage.

Venue itself - great
Residents - Hmmmm, not to my liking
People/Vibe - bad
Security - bad

I don't go there unless there is someone I particularly want to see. I've never been on a generic Chem or Clubland night...

growing up in the riverland and with the heavy circulation of those live mix cds. (and constant hammering of just be good/losing you etc) Heaven and Village tavern were the "best places to go" and if you werent there you were a loser. of course these were the only clubs we'd heard of apart from the odd mentioning of church and planet.

i get to adelaide, go to all four, sample various nights and find they are the most dodgyest venues in adelaide...

although twice as nice april was huge for me (darude = shit, kosheen = ) i don't often go to heaven because while i don't mind the music too much. it just seems like you just know your going to get killed getting there or going home or bashed while you're in there. every time ive been there, there is a fight somwhere.

the club itself is amazing. the sound and lighting is amazing. but the people that go there are sketchy as fuck and in my mind, that makes or breaks a club.

no offense, just my views

i would never go there again no matter who was playing, and so feel free to bag it. don't like the piss head crowd or having to queue to go to one room or the other. But hey, 90% of the population of Adelaide under 25 goes there so they are obviously doing something right. Just not for me

I think you will find most people on here actually love the music in whatever there preffered format may be e.g hard dance, techno, breaks etc and will go wherever they can to see there favourite artists perform!

Unlike heaven crew who generally profess there love for the music but aint gonna leave heaven to catch an artist

Yes Heaven has a rocking system and set up just generally its full of twats

been there once stayed in there for about ten minutes , got scared of slezy males and chicks wearing nearly Nothing and left And have not returned since..

Heaven as a venue, shits me personally.... the dancefloor is alright, but the weird seating/standing area is fucked when its fully packed and crankin... security... some are alright, some are downright wankers. sound/lighting is wicked though.... but personally when ''raves'' are held there, it still has that club feel...IMO

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Naked "Oh my God! A mobile phone! *grabs candy bar wrapper off ground* ....OK...now I'm really fucked..."

OK here's about 2c worth... I know I make a few jokes at Heaven once in a while (moreso on the quiet to friends than posting about it) but I definitely don't despise the joint or bag the shit out of it... That place used to be my home EVERY Saturday night @ Clubland without fail (almost)...

I used to dance with my mates in the first row of blocks, the one closest to the stairs on the side... I even remember Heaven before it became “HeavenII” with the wobbly round tables on the dancefloor… Oh and here’s an embarrassing point for ya – my friends and I would dance on the blocks with our whistles and “Woo Woo!” cries during songs we loved

I still think Heaven is a terrific venue... I just don't get off on the commercial styles of dance music anymore (Clubland) and I guess as my friends got married and we used to go clubbing less and less, the less we went to Heaven the more out of place we started to feel there. When we were regulars we were like a part of the furniture... the bouncers recognised us being first in line every Saturday... Jayse and MC Moore recognised us and would have a chat or give us a wave from the top... We had our bunch of "Heaven buddies" that we'd only see on Saturday nights, etc... But the less we went the more we felt like everybody else was a regular and we were an outsider...

But when I went to Traffic and Minke (for example) for the first time I NEVER once felt out of place and fit in straight away... Those clubs had a warmth and intimacy I never felt anywhere else!

Oh and yeah, I found as time went on that people started to get more and more drunk, more fights were happening... And earlier this year with the shooting... I know that's a reflection on the PEOPLE, not the club itself... But I just feel safer elsewhere...

We used to try going to other clubs like The Big Ticket, The Planet, Waves, etc but none of them appealed to us... I loved The Big Ticket but my friends didn't like the music so we just stuck to Heaven I even tried to drag my friends to Chemistry but again, they didn't like the music whereas I absolutely LOVED it

Anyway eventually my friends stopped going... they were too busy with their husbands and my other friends were into going to pubs or karaoke, etc... It was only when I started going raving that I started to meet new people who were more into the scene I felt I fit into

Heaven is a superclub, and hey I think the sound and lightning there is impeccable! But as a personal opinion I prefer the atmosphere of a club that has minimal special glamourous effects. I think it was in Better Living Through Circuitry where somebody says you take a room that hasn’t seen light in it for 20 years and throw a rave – now THAT’S the atmosphere I prefer. Warehouses, the outback or a forest, etc. You go to a Goa party, and you have minimal lasers and no strobes... emphasis is on UV with a few visuals splashed on the walls and the atmosphere is just as huge (and much warmer) as walking into a large room with mirrorballs, strobes, lasers and a shiny polished dancefloor. I’m not dissing all that, I enjoy superclubs they’re just not my number one preference when it comes to clubbing.

Conclusion: Heaven is a great club and if I had the chance I’d go to Chemistry more often. And undoubtedly if I went to Chemistry regularly I would probably end up liking Heaven more than I do, like back when I was a regular Clublander. I am DEFINITELY going to be there for Tiesto and possibly for Carl Cox

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Originally posted by Chrysoula
So what I want to get is why is it ok for you all to bag the shit out of the place, the residents and myself (cause I make it known that I go there) yet when there is a big event you are the first to get tickets and go??

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Heaven is the biggest and most popular club in Adelaide. When you look at its direct competition - it ain't hard to see why. Planet is pretty much closed as is Le Rox. I can't think of any other venues that are open every Sat night and can cope with the numbers that Heaven packs in week in week out.

Generic nights at Heaven suck, as does the atmosphere, most of the security guards and the constant thrashing of certain dance tracks over and over and over! (IMO)

Special events and internationals at Heaven rock, always something or someone coming up to look forward too. Tiesto - nuff said!! Plus, Heaven is starting to have dnb playing on various occasions, which is fantastic.

I like Heaven as a venue... I still think that Australia Day this year Adrenalin was GREAT.

I just don't like the nights they have there, barring chem.
Timewarp - Hey! lets get pissed and pick up someone twice our age!
R&B superclub - No comment as there isn't one worthy of the plain revulsion I feel for that music
Clubland - Hey! Lets get pissed and pick up someone...anyone...as long as they're wearing clothes that would shock their grandmothers!

heaven.... great light n sound but its sad that so much shit is played there... the " regular scene queen" crowd shit me & are in desperate need of sonic education!(judge jules pffffft!)

i will only go there if somethin of "real interest" is on...& havin to walk thru a metal detector is hardly a warm welcome.

i would love to see heaven support more underground forms of music & seriously love to hear some prestine psytrance pounding thru that system(particularly from me), but as said b4 there has to be something special for me to go...it juz doesnt have the atmosphere that reflects our party goers...but the right crowd in there can change that...

i guess the thing that irritates me most is the "superficiality" ...

i respect heaven have a bussiness to run & any club that has remained open that long is a creditable achievement...as charlotte said, they must be doin somethin right, but not for me either...

conclusion, i dont hate the venue, i despise its superficial & un educated attendees

Heaven is a great venue it's a pity the security and some of the patrons let it down.

I first went to chemistry about three and a half years ago, and I amazed at how friendly everyone was. You were greeted out the front with a smile by security and by the girls in the fish bowl. You walked inside and everyone had a smile on their face. And because I felt so welcome I kept going back, every thursday and every other saturday nite.

Then a few people that ran the place left, security changed and it all went down hill from there.

I have only been there two or three times this year and I felt like leaving after ten minutes. I got the feeling that if I looked at the wrong person I would get stabbed.

I'm planning on going to Carl Cox, so I just hope that those people leave their knives at home and bring their good mood with them

I go to chemistry occasionally when I'm bored and theres nothing else on... I dont mind heaven, I like the venue and the setup, lights etc, never had a problem with the people there or the security, I'm just not really interested in the music at all. I'll be there for sure if theres an act I like, or some DnB on, the only thing that keeps me away is the shit music.

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But when I went to Traffic and Minke (for example) for the first time I NEVER once felt out of place and fit in straight away... Those clubs had a warmth and intimacy I never felt anywhere else!


I have to say I agree with you on that one! I used to go religiously to the Village/Planet, got sick of the commercial crap and the drunk crowd.

The first time I went to Traffic/St Pauls I felt completely comfortable, it was like I finally found the place/music/crowd for me!!

Getting back to the topic about Heaven, its not really the place i prefer to go, but I did go there last Sat night, saw Groove Terminater who was absolutely freakin fantastic! Danced my booty off all night!

hevean is well choice, the venue and sound system i deem as "fuck off" good quality. I don't think the crowd is that bad, except in the R'n'B room on saturdays where ALMOST everyone has an attitude problem and if you try to move past them they get well pissed. i think the security has been given a bad name for no specific reason, they aren't agressive unless it's needed and i got the impression that most of the dicks had been weeded out some time ago. If you ask someone to do something reasonable like to take of their hat for obvious saftey reasons such as overheating, and they mouth off at you and act like a thorough git i don't think it's extreme to remove them from the club and security don't go around starting fights. speaking of getting stabbed, going through a metal detector is much less intrusive to me than getting patted down at other places and much more thorough, and that nut that shot at the bouncers got turned away in the first place which is better than letting him into the club. i find the music acceptable for clubland and chemistry, r'n'b and the like can fuck off though. eden is pleasent and really under appreciated on a saturday too.

i have to say that if you think going to heaven is bad try clubbing in ye olde england, i haven't been there mind, but i've heard that you need to be hard as fuck to be a bouncer or clubber there what with the violence in their club scene which isn't limited to garage music. i think you're gonna get a high wank factor anywhere it's just a matter of wether you have a similar mind set as those who go to that club. drum and bass is the shiz, unfortunatley the d'n'b room at TAN was vertually empty which was unfortunate as i enjoyed it thouroughly. yess i am aware of what stardust is.

apologese about my spelling, it has never been to good and i can't be bothered fixing it as it's too hot right now.

i dont hate heaven, i just dont go there unless there is something of interest to me

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Originally posted by Syk Syd
i will only go there if somethin of "real interest" is on...& havin to walk thru a metal detector is hardly a warm welcome.

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There isn't anything wrong with Heaven at all. I don't know what the hell you munt heads are on about. I went there last saturday, got stabbed twice in the neck, got my drink spiked and bashed by the security after I was shot in the line up to get back in after getting kicked out for bleeding too much on the dancefloor. I had a mad night.

Can't wait for next saturday, some of my triad friends are bringing their homemade machette's and promised to lop off one of my fingers just for a laugh.

its true that heaven can afford all the big acts, so even if you hate the place you end up going to see an act there, hey if they had my favourite DJ, DJing down at bolivar treatment plant id be down there too as much as if they had him at heaven. Its a good venue, with good facilities, but the people that go there on a saturday night are C**nts. I remember when i first turned 18 we used to go there every saturday night, and had no problems, but in just under 5 years it has went so downhill. I guess we only really went for the free drinks. The have went over the top though with this dress code thing. Like sure if i want a night out where we go to the vodka bar or garage ill get dressed up. But for a dodgy place like heaven they shouldnt be telling me to take my baseball cap off, but at the same time the bouncers mates can get in wearing whatever they want.

Due to work, or my mates being at work when i manage to get an rdo i dont usually get to go to chemistry, though i went quite a bit around 1999 and enjoyed it a lot back then, the couple of times ive went this year the crowd has been alright, been pretty friendly and nice, but its still a bit of a worry that some of the saturday night furniture (Heavenites) might start coming out thursday nights cause they heard it was cool.

I agree with what pretty much everyone has said.

Heaven is a fantastic venue.

However, for a venue that size to be as consistently busy as Heaven is in a city of Adelaide's population, the music policy has to be very commercial.

I don't have a problem with commercial tracks. In most cases I can appreciate a well made production no matter what genre it falls into. But that doesn't mean I enjoy it and since I'm not a massochist I much prefer going to clubs where the music is more to my taste.

At the end of the day I am a music lover like everyone else on this forum and there is nothing preventing me from disliking the music and crowd at a normal Heaven generic night yet attending if it is my only chance of hearing a DJ or producer who's work I love.

So I don't see any hypocricy in bagging the Heaven residents (not that I really see a need to) or yourself (which I sometimes have an overwhelming need to do ) yet attend on a night where the music suits my taste

GOOD: Sound and venue, can get the internationals in (not that we dont love our locals ) One Adrenalin and TAN I went to.

BAD: Staff, attitude, drink prices, opening a lot of little rooms with crap music in a desperate attempt to make more money than they already do, 99% of the people that go there on any night. PLUR and heaven dont belong in the same sentence

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Originally posted by P0W3R_R4V3R
There isn't anything wrong with Heaven at all. I don't know what the hell you munt heads are on about. I went there last saturday, got stabbed twice in the neck, got my drink spiked and bashed by the security after I was shot in the line up to get back in after getting kicked out for bleeding too much on the dancefloor. I had a mad night.

Can't wait for next saturday, some of my triad friends are bringing their homemade machette's and promised to lop off one of my fingers just for a laugh.

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Originally posted by Magnesium
i have to say that if you think going to heaven is bad try clubbing in ye olde england, i haven't been there mind, but i've heard that you need to be hard as fuck to be a bouncer or clubber there what with the violence in their club scene which isn't limited to garage music.

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Thanks all.. some great answers there and the reason I ask is that we were discussing the venues and clubs in Adelaide just the other day and alot of my mates too have varied opinions when it comes to Heaven.

As most of you know I go there, and yes I like it. Guess I feel comfortable there and at home and know a fair few of the people and staff. I guess you go where you enjoy and where you feel comfortable and I am a big fan of Chem. Anyone that knows me will know that I make the trip down on regular basis's just to get my Chem fix and will attend whenever there is an International. Though as mentioned I would go anywhere to see an International I had the desire to see.

I guess what with them going so long (11 years this year) for any club thats gotta be a milestone and means they are doing something bussiness whise to ensure the people (glams or not) return..

Cheers guys, found out some very interesting and varied opinions all that are good to know.

I love the place and even though I am shit stired by heaps of ppl for being there I like it and have a blast and after hearing a few tracks on their sound stystem and then listening to the same track in the car theres no way it sounds as good..

Though I miss the big green lasers

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Originally posted by Chrysoula


and after hearing a few tracks on their sound stystem and then listening to the same track in the car theres no way it sounds as good..

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Or you can do what we did last time and on many occassions and spare of the moment think its a good idea to jump in the car and make the road trip so you can go out somwhere decent.. Heaven cranked last night and I can definatly say it was a shit load better that what the flaming sambucas and a heap of old drunk ppl would have been there in the Riverland..

Though the trip home the next day can be nasty and have done the straight to chem after work on Thursday gone out and gotten home just in time to have a shower and rock up to work very fragile many a time...

Ahh its bloody worth it though.... and guess its the small price you have to pay for living the the bloody sticks... I thinking I wanna move to Adelaide soon though and hopefully I can now..

4 weeks in a row in town are getting to be too much of a pain in the arse travelling and get expensive on accomodation and travel expenses too.. Bahhh I think nows as good as any time to move!!

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Originally posted by P0W3R_R4V3R
There isn't anything wrong with Heaven at all. I don't know what the hell you munt heads are on about. I went there last saturday, got stabbed twice in the neck, got my drink spiked and bashed by the security after I was shot in the line up to get back in after getting kicked out for bleeding too much on the dancefloor. I had a mad night.

Can't wait for next saturday, some of my triad friends are bringing their homemade machette's and promised to lop off one of my fingers just for a laugh.

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I go because the joy of seeing a DJ I want to see outweighs the risk of stabbage.

Venue itself - great
Residents - Hmmmm, not to my liking
People/Vibe - bad
Security - bad

I don't go there unless there is someone I particularly want to see. I've never been on a generic Chem or Clubland night...

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rumour has it that knotrol has resigned after being suspended on the weekend.

anyone like to spread further light on the issue?

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Originally posted by tinkleberry

Side note - I heard on the weekend that Minke's closed? Something about not paying bills???? True/false?

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I dont get some people, I mean, what's with this "I dont like the vibe" nonsense, 'the vibe' is what you make it, granted there are exceptions, eg;

- you get stabbed/shot/bashed or whatever
- someone actually threatens you, not just looks at you funny
- people are actually OD'ing all over the place, not just sitting on couches
- you dont like the music
- etc etc

Remember not everyone gives a shit about you, not everyone is commenting on what you're wearing, or making fun of you and who cares if they are? most of the time its them that look like idiots, cause theyre standing around like knobs while everyone else is having a good time.

Are the majority of adelaide clubbers/ravers softcocks who think the world revolves around them?

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Originally posted by Brick
I dont get some people, I mean, what's with this "I dont like the vibe" nonsense, 'the vibe' is what you make it, granted there are exceptions, eg;

- you get stabbed/shot/bashed or whatever
- someone actually threatens you, not just looks at you funny
- people are actually OD'ing all over the place, not just sitting on couches
- you dont like the music
- etc etc

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