No wonder the Adelaide scene is so segregated!

First of all thank you Jordan for your support and words in my defence you are a gem and like most nice people (DJ's) you too are an Artist of the turntables and a hell of a nice person who is definately tuned into the universe your musical taste and sets portray this. I managed to catch your set and "sweat" a few weeks ago and I spent nearly the whole set on the floor it was so refreshing to hear vocal, trance and progressive sounds that had real meaning you have my tick of approval.

To Odessy and Expose what can I say? I have never claimed to be the UNDERGROUND scene and this is a classic case of mis interpretation of my answer TOTALLY. the question/answer makes comment that most of us who work full-time as DJ's have been forced to play commercial music in order to keep heads in the door and the money coming over the bar. NOT everyone takes extacy anymore to the extent they used to and the clubs I derive and income from are all about selling alcohol and we all know that alcohol promotes commercial dance and commercial dance attracts women and women attract men so the music that I play is a necessity for clubs such as SODA, HEAVEN, PLANET and Sanctuary to get heads in the door week in week out especially during the harsh times of GST and other fincancial woes that have taken hold this year.

Mr Expose and Odessy you have never witnessed my Melb, Sydney or other gigs interstate have YOU? This is where I can cut loose and play the music I want to play and not what I have to play so you both have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever and no real proof either to back up your accudsations have you? so I suggest you stop claiming what you know of me and my sets. Like most OLD skool DJ's I come from a background where you are the selecta and you gain crowd by those who WISH to follow you because of your musical taste. If you both did your homework in the past 10 years you would know that vocal/trance/NRG has now become a commercial sound OH MY GOD STRIKE ME DOWN FOR LIKING THAT PARTICULAR STYLE and trance DJ's are now being labled as commercial all over the world. In a recent interview with Junior Vasquez (another old skool DJ of 25yrs and GOD of the house scene) mentions with my full agreeance: "I DONT GIVE @!#$ IF OTHER DJ'S SAY THAT sing it bAck by moloko IS TOO COMMERCIAL, IF THE PUNTERS LIKE IT, SCREAM FOR IT AND I WANT TO PLAY IT, WHO GIVES A @!#$ WHAT OTHER DJ'S THINK ITS A GOOD SONG THATS WHAT DJing IS ALL ABOUT! I too play for my punters and not from my DICK that has always been my #1 rule. Taking people on a musical Journey through subtle undertones, messages and vocals WHAT A BORING INDUSTRY IF WE ALL PLAYED HOOVER, HARD BANGING @!#$ ALL THE TIME! THANK GOD NOT ALL CLUBS PLAY IT AND THANK GOD PEOPLE NOW HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR!

also for your information I play commercial dance, disko house, trance, hardhouse and funk/soul I am fluent in all and that unlike YOU both I have not alienated myself to one style ie; hardhouse/techno (which is just banging, beats with no meaning or feeling what so ever) any chimpanzee can play hard house and to tell you the truth your musical taste is only for those who are so fucked up and speeding off there tits at raves and doofs! I can and do play all styles to all walks of life from underage events, gay/lesbian scenes, raves, dance paries and fundraisers unlike you I have a reputation that takes me Nationally every year across Australia to crowds that await my return with open arms and screams for more!

Odessy this is not the first time you have tried to publically humiliate me and other DJ's - once on your blessed ADrave site and now here didnt the smack in the chops at a nightclub recently teach you a lesson to keep your mouth shut yet? One day you will wake up and realise you should be more careful what you say about others you never know when you might need their help one day. You never will get that help because you have burnt so many people, clubs and radio stations that you will have to run away from Adelaide too I hear thats how you got here in the first place run out of town because you burnt your bridges!

If you both put more focus on your work at hand and did your investigating properly then you too may have a carreer and resume as long as mine and be just as successful but somehow I think your attitudes and mouths will see your demise. I have never done anything to you Kristian (Odessy) you have been nothing but a total A class PIG to me GET OVER IT YOU IMMATURE WANKER! It is obvious you have never liked me and if you dont keep your mouth shut I will seek legal advice DONT TEMPT ME! I cannot wait till your style of music becomes commercial too because of overplay and additions to dance radio playlists thenwe can all laugh at you!

Question: WHAT IS COMMERCIAL now that we have dance stations that thrash the @!#$ out of what used to be UNDERGROUND MUSIC? Tracks that used to only be heard in nightclubs? Why go out and pay to get into a nightclub when you can switch on the radio and go for a drive in your car?
Why is it that Adelaide persist on Pushing OLD SKOOL and OLD SKOOL rooms at our big events? What is UNDERGROUND? I dont think Underground exsists anymore because music is so accessable now via internet, mp3's, dance stationss streamline internet stations and magazines FACE IT FOLKS DANCE MUSIC HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AND UNEARTHED AND NOW THE MOST FERRAL OF BOGANS LOVE DANCE MUSIC WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?

From totally misunderstood and misinterpeted DJ Josh

@!#$ em all and move to sydney hehehe - WE LOVE YA!!!!!!

notadj

PS when are you coming back to play @sounds on sunday in north sydney..

Josh,

Must say I'd much prefer to spend a friday night at the soda room even though it's not my idea of an ideal venue than a saturday night at Rush....as much as I enjoy hard house, etc when I'm off tap - I'll admit that of the DJS who play at Rush, I prefer those playing earlier in the night because they actually know how to work a crowd - bring us down, let us catch our breath and then go crazy.

I fully agree that what was once something that was impossible to find ina mainstream music environment (to my annoyance where I grew up since the only radio stations and music shops had commercial crap, but each to their own) has now ventured into the mainstream. I'm not going to stop listening to good music even if it does become mainstream - I like what I like and sometimes that does include very overplayed, non-electronic commercial music.

Oddy has an obsession with doof-doof-doof and it's not healthy - Adelaidians need a bit of varitey - Just look at the crowd at Good Friday, House room was deserted and upstairs was packed.... Odessy - for one thing, you should take a rest every so often when you're rushing...so give those punters who won't sit down by themselves coz they can't stop dancing a bit of a slower time every so often.

Love your work Josh, play more prodigy, especially voodoo people!!

"Oddy has an obsession with doof-doof-doof and it's not healthy - Adelaidians need a bit of varitey - Just look at the crowd at Good Friday, House room was deserted and upstairs was packed.... Odessy - for one thing, you should take a rest every so often when you're rushing...so give those punters who won't sit down by themselves coz they can't stop dancing a bit of a slower time every so often."

you could really turn this statement around for DJ Josh .. Why doesn't she play faster ? Why so many breakdown's ?

I do what i do .. The crowd obviously like it .. otherwise i wouldn't get so many local and Interstate booking's .. you don't need to listen !

the future is Hard house .. get with the program ..

ya can't beat us .. might as well join us ..

I'm NOT saying that there's anything wrong with the kind of music you play - man you are defensive. I'm a sydney girl and I'm used to more trancy sounds, that's all and I find it hard to find good nights out in Adelaide because I DO like variety so I will go to Rush, Soda etc for variety because I don't like listening to ANY dj ALL the time.

Why such a bit bitch fight between you and Josh anyway - I obviously missed the triggering event.... What happened to the unity and love within the scene?

Question for both of you: Have you guys ever actually listened to a set by the other any time in the last 12 months or so?? Or ever?

Question for both of you: Have you guys ever actually listened to a set by the other any time in the last 12 months or so?? Or ever?

yep i've heard her play loads of times ..

Odyssey.... An objective question for you. What is the reasoning behind your opinion that Hard House will get bigger and bigger? I need a history lesson here but didn't Hard House stem from Old Skool and Rave? That scene died (here anyways) after the Big Ticket closed (RIP) and everyone went their separate ways. Then I think girlie house/speed garage took off (this was at Heaven 2 anyways) and we know what happened with speed garage!
The only thing I can see happening is HH being a victim of it's own success. In the way that producers are going to have to work harder to come up with new bass runs, different sounds etc so that one track isn't essentially the same as the other if you know what I mean.
I don't mind Hard House (the UK style) at all and even dabble in Hard Trance (if that can be called a style?) but my chosen genre is Progressive and Tech/Dub house...(I'm a bedroom DJ but what the heck we all gotta start somewhere!)


Btw....What are your Top 5 for this week?

Hard house / NRG already has so many sub genre's forming it can only get bigger .. Problem with the genre's you mentioned above was that there was only one style . Hard house has branched out into so many types already and it's only in it's infancy ..

time will tell ..

Look at what we have become....
I have sat back and witnessed the onslaught. It seems some people forget why they became a dj in the first place. Is it for the music or is it just a popularity contest???
At the end of the day we are all people playing OTHER peoples music. Both Josh and Odessy are role models for young and aspiring DJ's and with these antics, it makes me wonder why we bother trying. Where will the next stab in the back come from??
Is this the sort of image you want to portray to the rest of the world?

I think it is time you both grew up and get on with the job at hand. You are both entertainers not kindergarden children. Take a look at yourselves and think about who you are and what you do, because you have to remember. There is ALWAYS a better DJ around the corner.

Speading the love
Soulitude81

hmmm....

the thing is, there might be sub-genre's forming, but you get that with any style....
all those genres are still played by HH DJ's....not every subgenre is played by different jocks...
HH seems to have died off a bit OS and interstate, and progressive seems to be the way of the future..........

personally, i'm not fussed either way, as i like a 'lil HH every now and then, but i'm a techno head!

ciao,
and peace out (esp btwn Oddy and Josh)

died off a bit ? Where ? Can you back this up with any intelligent substantial proof ?

Fact: HH is bigger now in the UK and Europe than it's ever been .

have you seen what the Frantic and Fevah organisations have been up to .. the numbers they have been pulling worldwide ?


Interstate HH parties are getting the biggest numbers they ever have .. I can back this up .. where's it dying mate ?


cool cool progressive is the way of the future it's nice that you think this .. but it's always going to remain this popular .. It won't grow any larger ..

you've made a good point...

i don't think any style is going to get any bigger than what they are today...
I think HH is at its peak in Adelaide at the moment, and i think progressive is up'n'coming in Adelaide at the moment. It won't get any bigger elsewhere, but it will here, as the progressive scene has only just started growing here.

As for techno, it's always going to be underground, followed by the few that love it

I realise i don't know enough about the HH scene OS to have mad the statement i did above, sorry.... I just based my statement on what others have said to me...

ok - this is piss funny. im an onlooker from sydney. would i be correct in saying that dj josh is a stupid, egocentric sell-out, cos that's how he/she comes across. (i think its a she, but why would she be called 'josh'?)

"the clubs I derive and income from are all about selling alcohol and we all know that alcohol promotes commercial dance and commercial dance attracts women and women attract men so the music that I play is a necessity for clubs" - u should come and play in one of sydney's fine clubbing establishments on berry st. they love djs like u - but only if u play the macarena and cold chisel, which will not be a problem for you.

"Like most OLD skool DJ's I come from a background where you are the selecta and you gain crowd by those who WISH to follow you because of your musical taste." - you are not "old skool" cos you aint keepin it real, even if u used to play decent toons. get over it - accept the fact that you are destined to play pubs not clubs.

"I DONT GIVE @!#$ IF OTHER DJ'S SAY THAT sing it bAck by moloko IS TOO COMMERCIAL, IF THE PUNTERS LIKE IT, SCREAM FOR IT AND I WANT TO PLAY IT, WHO GIVES A @!#$ WHAT OTHER DJ'S THINK ITS A GOOD SONG THATS WHAT DJing IS ALL ABOUT!" - yeah you play it girlfriend.

"I have not alienated myself to one style ie; hardhouse/techno (which is just banging, beats with no meaning or feeling what so ever)" - if i were you i would not comment on someone else's tastes. people in glass houses ....

"didnt the smack in the chops at a nightclub recently teach you a lesson to keep your mouth shut yet?" - violent too. all the attributes of a great person.

Sir Pimpsalot, i wouldn't be taking sides here if you don't know both people here....

just commenting on the initial post ... which is ridiculous.

why is it on a public forum if its a private matter.

good point! lol

Josh's initial post here was responding to another post....

I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert at music here, but this page has just kept me busy for the last hour or so. I reckon you guys should just chill, and make peace. I'm just a regular clubber and i've heard DJ Josh play, she rocks the house, it doesnt matter, old skool or not. All my pals reckon she plays good @!#$.

Also, I've never been to enchanted forest before. Is it heaps good?

Thx guys,

Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.|James Dean

it's extremely good

ill post the website when it's up and running ...

That's why I left, and everyone's f_ucking evryone elses girlfreind,

Look outside the circle you live in, or at least try it, you may never turn back.

I miss the bogans tho and the balflours meat pies but I can still buy my fresh Farmers Union Ice Coffee here, so keep all ya small city syndrome bullshiite down there and try the big smoke, just a suggestion

____*[CSM]*_____

I've got a few points to post. On the different styles of music, and what is going to be big or biger, what's going to die etc, I don't think anyone can really tell. We are in for some interesting times over the coming decades. For as many generations as you want to go back, the people who were about 15 to 20 years old at the time, tend to listen to that style for the rest of their life. My parents still listen to The Beatles, Neil Diamond, and the stuff that stuck in their head during their teens, forging their taste. My uncle is about 5 years older and listens to Bob Dylan and easy listening (music about 5 years older). Now what about todays music? I'm pushing 30, and still I keep taking in most new sub-genres of dance that emerge. Does this mean if I make it to 70, I'll still be surfing the web for the latest online music store, ordering the latest uptek-tribal-progressive-vocal-jungle-trance? Oooh look, there's Enchanted 2041 flyer. OK, some of the older ravers/clubbers have settled down, and are listening to R+B, REAL blues, ambient, etc, but damn it's gonna be interesting!

Now for DJ Wars Inc. Josh and Oddy both have valid points each, and both seem to be very good at acting like 2yo's in public forums. I've seen Josh build the crowd up so they were eating out of her hands, hanging on the next sniff of a sample, and screaming with hands in the air when they recognised it. Insane uplifting trance that few people would have heard before. I've also seen Josh clear a room in 2 tracks, and passed up her set later on in the night. I should know, I had to fill that set. I also heard last friday's set at Soda was awful.

Oddy is well known for some killer hoover sets that have taken the crowd to places they never knew existed. He has also slaughtered a dance floor, and only the other week, lost about 25% of a dance floor that ATB built up at Rush.

Horses for courses, and remember, everyone has bad days (DJ's and punters included). I just hope over the coming months I can remember to take my own advice.

that 25% probably went to get a drink ..

I didn't notice a bar out on the footpath? Hehehe. Awww, don't worry, I'm sure there was still a heap of HH lovers on the floor : )

We had to leave for a while, just after the start of your set, and noticed a lot of the ppl on the dancefloor moved off. A short time later we saw them out the front. They obviously liked trance, and your set was HH.

:lol: Xpose did you ever read this!

brilliant stuff from 2001.

(yes i was bored today)

how the hell did you come across this...?

funny as

i went to the very last page of threads.

quite an interesting read if you have some spare time!

"Like most OLD skool DJ's I come from a background where you are the selecta and you gain crowd by those who WISH to follow you because of your musical taste."

SELECTA!!!

that's gold.

classic :lol:

the future is Hard house .. get with the program ..
:-0

:stroke:

:stroke:

i like that smilie.

Odyssey.... An objective question for you. What is the reasoning behind your opinion that Hard House will get bigger and bigger? I need a history lesson here but didn't Hard House stem from Old Skool and Rave? That scene died (here anyways) after the Big Ticket closed (RIP) and everyone went their separate ways. Then I think girlie house/speed garage took off (this was at Heaven 2 anyways) and we know what happened with speed garage! :)
The only thing I can see happening is HH being a victim of it's own success. In the way that producers are going to have to work harder to come up with new bass runs, different sounds etc so that one track isn't essentially the same as the other if you know what I mean.
I don't mind Hard House (the UK style) at all and even dabble in Hard Trance (if that can be called a style?) but my chosen genre is Progressive and Tech/Dub house...(I'm a bedroom DJ but what the heck we all gotta start somewhere!)


Btw....What are your Top 5 for this week?

i think parker hit the nail on the head

I think anyone who thinks hard house is the future is EXTREMELY deluded. It might have following here but I think we can say that today adelaide is behind the world in dance music. I can think of no other country in the world where you could say hard house is the future. Look at what is most popular in europe and in america. Look at the top ten sellers of online record shops overseas, you're not going to see any hard house in there. Anyway, hard house hasn't been around for as long as techno or house, and I doubt very much it will outlast them.

and the award for most bogan sentence ever keyed on ITM goes to...

Also, I've never been to enchanted forest before. Is it heaps good?

:lol: Xpose did you ever read this!

brilliant stuff from 2001.

(yes i was bored today)

Fucking :lol:

see what happens when poppy leaves me off email list you get bored enough to find this !!

:lol: love your work

now im off to a qld beach but you should come to zulu nation show on 17th thumbalina

I think anyone who thinks hard house is the future is EXTREMELY deluded. It might have following here but I think we can say that today adelaide is behind the world in dance music. I can think of no other country in the world where you could say hard house is the future. Look at what is most popular in europe and in america. Look at the top ten sellers of online record shops overseas, you're not going to see any hard house in there. Anyway, hard house hasn't been around for as long as techno or house, and I doubt very much it will outlast them.



One the funniest and most accurate things i read this year was Lee Burridges description of Adelaides scene...

First, let's talk about Adelaide. It seems to me that apart from a wicked drum and bass scene, Adelaide is stuck in 1991.


http://www.djmag.com/newsfeat358

i was listening to triple J one arvo and they played some oldSKOOL ( :P) rave track, and when it had finished the presenter said "that was from 10 years ago when people used to dance in fields and gurn"

*cough*enchanted*cough*

i think parker hit the nail on the head


lol
and to think.. i was all sweet and nice back then! :thumb:

hahahaha, boy am i glad i dropped into the adelade forums.

Your all idiots.

hahahaha, boy am i glad i dropped into the adelade forums.

Your all idiots.

and with a name like chemicaljames you are Sooooooooooooooooo Cool!:bow: