DJ JoSH

from DJ JoSH Article..

25. What do you think of the future of Adelaide’s Dance Music scene?
I am afraid it has already lost its identity and needs a great shake up – people are not as excited about it any more? Most people/punters & DJ’s have cashed in on commercialism – not through wanting to but because we have to, to keep heads in the venue at a cost to underground and moving forward!



Cashed in? ahh riiight of course.

JoSH is at the forefront of Cashing in and Playing Cheesy Shite so she would be an expert!!!!

how can she make comments like that when she's commercial

does she honeslty believe that she's an underground jock ?

haha

She Believes she is the Future ...... Ooops she couldnt even keep that open ahahahahah

What I would'nt give for one more night @ Dreamers.

" No rush, no lust, no lies...this journey is our love, you're my hero, from heaven did you come...? "

Give it some heat JoSHa...

X X X

Well seems as though the article has received the ass

No offence to Gruuv but their are much more deserving artists out their

Actually team, you may have noticed we've had some probs with the site over the past couple of days. We lost a lot of work from the last week and we're trying to retrieve it all and get the whole site back up and running as quickly as we can, so sorry to say, DJ Josh will be back soon ;-)

as an aside, I caught some of Josh's set a few years ago at a Melbourne party called OOSH, and commercial or not, she rocked it and I was blown away.

I admit that when I read the article about Josh, I did think the comment you all have been referring to may have been a bit off the mark, but I don't think it's really a call for a mass slagging of her more commercial style. Everyone's got a different style they like and they all have a place in the bigger picture.

On a personal level, I con only cope with about an hour of hard house/NRG/whatever before I start getting twitchy, but try telling half of queensland that they're wrong about how good that style is ;-)

long live diversity.

~techboy~

Oi Techboy take your constructive comments out of this forum

I think the uproar is not against JoSH's style as much as how she percieves herself. She thinks basically she is the best & most underground DJ Adelaide has to offer.

In the article she makes a comment about her technical ability and selection blowing crowds away.

Her Technical ability is passable but is limited to being able to beatmix, which at times she can struggle with when to bring tracks in and out there would be 50 DJ's i can name who aree better technicaly in Adelaide alone!!!

As for her selection yes it is commercial and as such when she plays out (at Adelaides commercial clubs) the crowd like what she plays. Basically she plays anthem after anthem (including 1 set which included for an Angel 3 Times!!!) so the crowd love her.

however she has this perception of herself as underground which she is definetly not and this is what can annoy people about her.

Yes diversity is a good thing and the fans of commercial can dance to it all night if they wish, just dont try & push yourself as something you are not as Josh apparently likes to do.

~ "JoSH is at the forefront of Cashing in and Playing Cheesy Shite so she would be an expert!!!!" ~ xpose

~ "She Believes she is the Future ...... Ooops she couldnt even keep that open ahahahahah" ~ xpose

~ "She thinks basically she is the best & most underground DJ Adelaide has to offer." ~ xpose

..... "she thinks.." ... "she believes.." .....

does she really?

i refer to josh as a friend and although i know she can come across a bit cocky and self-appreciative to strangers, i'm afraid that neither mrs/mr xpose/odyssey is able to draw conclusions on exactly what josh (in her quieter alone moments) thinks.. neither have proven they have the intuitive awareness for stating her thoughts at all. though it is interersting to observe how some peoples' attitudes develop (perhaps) after exiting the click-y and insecure environment of high-school, only to end up taking that narrow-minded mentality into an equally-as-click-y (typical-punter-comments: "check out that wankers' dancin?!".."you grew up in SALISBURY??!!") and equally insecure (typical-dj's-thought: "will this crowd like my style?".."i don't want to stuff up and look like a cock-head in front of a few hundred punters") and constantly changing (horrific-dj-realisation: "the crowds don't like my style anymore..") realm of the common dj.

the manner of xpose/odyssey's response to josh's comments doesn't say as much about what josh thinks as it does about what xpose/odyssey think of people who believe in themselves and what they do wholeheartedly (as i know josh does)..

i don't pretend to represent any minority or majority of the adelaide club-going population (as NO-ONE can truly 'represent' anyone other than THEMSELVES when voicing an opinion unless of-course, they've consulted the entirety of that population), and while xpose's/odyssey's comments might correspond with some people's personal perception of josh, they are just not broadly-based enough to represent the larger TRUTH.

xpose gives himself/herself away in their forum entry with the comment:

~ " ...she has this perception of herself as underground (dj) which she is definetly not and this is what can annoy people about her..." ~

so it now becomes obvious that here, a dj (or perhaps ANY person with a positive self-image) annoys xpose (what does this say about xpose's self-image if she/he finds other peoples' expression of self-confidence and belief in their own abilities annoying?), but then odyssey jumps on the band-wagon with:

~ "how can she make comments like that when she's commercial
does she honeslty believe that she's an underground jock ?
haha" ~

i won't ask what the word "hones-l-ty" means, but i'll have to point out to mr/mrs odyssey that on the LARGER scale of music and dj-ing, the word 'underground' often (and obviously) relates to more than whatever odyssey's personal perception of underground is.

in general 'music consumer' reality:

1. hardhouse and NRG have not (at this point on the music timeline) really become commercial genres (as they do not tend to appeal to the mood of the majority of club-goers). these styles have a core audience (which expands and contracts through peoples' temporary and ever-changing moods) and therefore lend themselves to possibly being, for the lack of mainstream music lovers' liking, underground genres. just because some dj's and producers have gained the attention and interest of a large number of listeners does not instantly mean that they must have 'gone commercial'. it just means that people (of any accumulative numbers) appreciate or relate to the mood of their work.

2. some trance/progressive songs have, admittedly, become appreciated by a much wider audience recently than in past times (due largely to marketing execs with their finger in the club pie, radio play and club overkill). but this is due to the fact that the individual songs appeal to people who relate to their mood, not because it suddenly became the new 'COOL' click-y thing to like those genres. you cannot make a person desire for something they are consciously not in-the-mood-for (people nowerdays just don't seem to function that blindly).

i'm sorry, you can't label dj josh as commercial and cheesy because it seems to validate your personal annoyance towards her or the music she and her audience enjoy!

josh's style has ebbed and flowed through a multitude of genres (responding to and representing her and her audiences' mood/feelings and music likes of the time). she has (at this stage in the her career-timeline) found that some trance/proghouse/nrg relays the mood that she and her audiences (of people, not commercial consumers) want to experience at present. if a large population of people suddenly found the mood of jungle appealing and attended venues to hear it, it may partially be that they were exposed to that genre via the radio, but it would DEFINITELY be that they found jungle described (through an audio medium) the mood that they felt within themselves at that time (again, you cannot make a person like something they are not in-the-mood-for.. eg: "i like this song.."-"i don't like THIS song").

also, xpose's (examplified) perception that technical ability relates to skills other than (or not inclusive of) basic beatmixing is a bit naive and again for xpose, rather self-serving of his/her general annoyance with self-confident people.. or with established performers (alike dj josh). beatmixing is borne of technical precision through practise, intense concentration or a natural gift (all elements of which would constitute an ABILITY wouldn't they?), especially when you become so developed you don't need to fine tune the pitch slider in-live-mix for MINUTES as i know josh often finds she does.

as i personally know neither xpose nor odyssey, i can't attempt personalised insults by saying so, but generally your comments seem to say more about yourselves and your narrow-band perception of music appreciation than they do about dj josh (whom i am aware, you do not know personally either). any dj is (after 17 YEARS of trial-by-live-performance) allowed to believe in their own abilities (yes.. even FEMALE performers as we males sometimes seem threatened to acknowledge).

confidence and self-belief in their abilities are what successful people of the world tend to practise; perhaps xpose and odyssey would both benefit from spending time making positive & constructive criticisms toward their own abilities and achievements before they start trying to impose narrow-based opinions on readers.

with respect,
jordan.

Jordan, Opinions are like Assholes Everyuone has one and i was simply sharing mine.

However i have some issues with what you have said.

1) I have no problems with self confident people if they have the skill to back it up & im afraid Josh has not got a level of skill that befits her cockiness

.~ " ...she has this perception of herself as underground (dj) which she is definetly not and this is what can annoy people about her..." ~

The above comment i still believe to be true JoSH believes herself to be underground which she well and truly is not and no club where she plays can be considered to be that (but can any club really??)

1. hardhouse and NRG have not (at this point on the music timeline) really become commercial genres - jordan

I believe your comment above to be quite nieve (SP?) as Hard House has become quite commercial in the sense that Josh plays it with alot of the music she plays being lapped up by crowds in the big 2 (Heavin & Planet). Hard House/NRG in its true form is definetly still underground however this is not anything at all like the mass produced rubbish which Josh likes to play.

-i'm sorry, you can't label dj josh as commercial and cheesy because it seems to validate your personal annoyance towards her or the music she and her audience enjoy!- Jordan

I do not label her because of any sort of vendetta towards her or her music rather because that is the scene she play too.

As for her beatmixing and mixing in general i have heard her ut and about on numerous occasions in the last 4 years and have never been overly impressed and have heard her constantly make mistakes in this time!!

Basically In MY opinion Josh considers herself the saviour of a scene which she is not really involved in (The supposed Underground Scene) and rates herslef above alot of Adelaides Jocks who are far and away better DJ's (i have other points about this but i am not prepared to air them in a public forum)

but like I said its just my opinion and everyody has one !!!!!

~ "Jordan, Opinions are like Assholes Everyuone has one and i was simply sharing mine." ~ xpose

yeah, cool dude, but was not actually commenting on your ability to state your own opinions, was commenting on what you said.


~ "... Hard House has become quite commercial in the sense that Josh plays it with alot of the music she plays being lapped up by crowds in the big 2 (Heavin & Planet)..." ~ xpose

HARD HOUSE does not become COMMERCIAL just because dj josh plays it..!?! i think thats a silly thing to say..

you OBVIOUSLY do not like josh as your comments are not based in any comparative information outside your own opinion.

~ "im afraid Josh has not got a level of skill that befits her cockiness" ~ xpose

although i may not agree with THAT comment (i respect it as YOUR OPINION), i hold a similar opinion that no-one should display cockiness simply because they are good at what they do; even 'big-time' acts/performers. arrogance is an unattractive quality (especially in public performers), so we almost agree on something..!

~ "In MY opinion Josh considers herself the saviour of a scene which she is not really involved in (The supposed Underground Scene)" ~ xpose

..please educate me on YOUR perception of this 'supposed underground scene': where in adelaide does it really exist (which clubs??)? which dj's define this 'scene'?? .. coz although i know in the rave days we DID definitely have somethin other clubbing capitals did NOT, it now just sounds like an imaginary little world which reminiscent hardcore clubbers muse over as a comfort zone for their opinions that CLUBS ARE GOING COMMERCIAL!!!!

~ "i have other points about this but i am not prepared to air them in a public forum" ~ xpose

are these 'other' points based solely on your/your friends' OTHER opinions regarding dj josh? if so, they may only exist inside your opinions as opposed to being valid or worthy of mention within a PUBLIC FORUM where they might be misconstrued as truth.

anyway, my comments are also simply observations based on my opinions of your opinions, so please do not take any offense to what is written here..

respect and regards,
jordan.

~ "... Hard House has become quite commercial in the sense that Josh plays it with alot of the music she plays being lapped up by crowds in the big 2 (Heavin & Planet)..." ~ xpose

"HARD HOUSE does not become COMMERCIAL just because dj josh plays it..!?! i think thats a silly thing to say.. - Jordan"

What i was trying to say here was that the style played by Josh (as well as Kontrol, Jayse etc) is Hard House but it is Mass Produced Hard House not Quality and in fact quite Commercial

"so we almost agree on something..!"

Bloody Hell i am impressed

~ "In MY opinion Josh considers herself the saviour of a scene which she is not really involved in (The supposed Underground Scene)" ~ xpose

Notice i said Supposed Underground Scene as i do not believe Adelaide has one anymore!!

However i do consider jocks like Oddy, Renegade, Mr S, MPK, Jon Doe, Devious, Bundi etc and Parties by Ultraworld, System 6 & Red Light District to be as close as we have to underground (an oxymoron really when they are drawing 2000 + Hedz)

"are these 'other' points based solely on your/your friends' OTHER opinions regarding dj josh? if so, they may only exist inside your opinions as opposed to being valid or worthy of mention within a PUBLIC FORUM where they might be misconstrued as truth." - Jordan

No these are facts i have been told from people inside the industry which i dont think need to be shared with the million or so readers this web page attracts a month !!!!

No Offence intended still i just think you are taking a one sided view as Josh is someone you like as a dj and person

you two are cute

i am not ignorant of the opinions you and various others have regarding josh, having heard a plethora of criticisms toward her persona. punters in general complain about some element of a dj they find annoying.. and i have performed with some rather annoying dj's myself (elements of whose attitudes are perhaps as annoying to me as you portray josh's attitude is to you).

i have quickly found that djing is a clicky business. some dj's and their loyal followers like what they like and generally work within those parameters. they seem to justify their disliking of anything external to their crew which threatens the stability or reputation of what they know. ofcourse the fact that josh and i are friends DOES cause me to have a loyalty toward her.. but no more than the degree of loyalty you might display if i started airing annoyances which were toward the personality of dj's YOU like. (perhaps Oddy, Renegade, Mr S, MPK, Jon Doe, Devious, Bundi etc ..)

i am not trying to sway YOUR opinion toward whoever your loyalties DON'T lay with, i am attempting to present an alternative perspective. if you re-read josh's interview, you'll realise that what she said word-for-word was:

1. ~"people are not as excited about it (clubbing scene) any more?"~
.. if you look at the general mood over clubbing and crowds at the moment (all venues, on the OVERALL adelaide scale), it doesn't have near the same energy and vibe which was around even in 99 or 2000! it just don't feel the same now and many people (who once spent large on massive weekend benders) are staying home, or socialising in other atmospheres away from drug-riddled club environments.

2. ~"Most people/punters & DJ's have cashed in on commercialism.." .. this is josh (unawaredly and inadvertently) acknowledging YOUR main complaint!
.. but if you continue reading, she explains from her perspective, being in the industry, that it is.. "- not through wanting to but because we have to, to keep heads in the venue at a cost to underground and moving forward! GOD SAFE THE UNDERGROUND!"~

.. it's stated plainly there!

things HAVE become more money orientated since the introduction of GST, drink price increases and overheads which make keeping venues OPEN under new government and taxation policies a delicate balancing act (sorry to make it so complex, but it is all interwoven). perhaps one day it will be a reality (as it once WAS) that the business people and money makers of the music industry will leave the music to its' own development rather than needing or attempting to cash in on it. however, at present, people (even dj's) are struggling to maintain their livelihood from day to day (as also are many club owners/managers/promoters in the mainstream adelaide clubbing scene) and their most obvious means of creating a liveable income is the environment within which they work (ie, nightclubs). being a dj might be an on-the-side hobby to some (who work in fields other than purely dj-ing), but to others it is a chosen profession and must support the financial stability of the dj.

josh has pointed out that "moving forward" comes at the cost of the "underground.." and although you might find it upsetting (or annoying), you're centering on only one aspect of this yourself and are NOT acknowledging other affecting factors.

you hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that "Oddy (u mean odyssey? is HE a FRIEND of yours??), Renegade, Mr S, MPK, Jon Doe, Devious, Bundi etc and Parties by Ultraworld, System 6 & Red Light District" were what you reckon were the closest thing we have to an undergound only then to point out that even THEY are reaping the profits made off a couple of thousand punters at their events??! you stated: ".. they are drawing 2000 + Hedz"!!?!*! (..and you don't allow for the fact these people are cashing in on THEIR style simply by standing behind the decks and accepting MONEY for it afterwards ANYWAY!! you don't consider the perspective that holding such large scale events is a format whereby your stated 'underground' dj's also commercialise and familiarise large numbers of people with their music? is it NOT about playing to people who like your style and music?? why are you even bothering to make comment on someone you neither know nor support?!

it would seem BOTH our opinions may be rather one-sided considering YOUR loyalties lay with YOUR preferred dj's and maintaining the "underground", and mine with my friend; however i am comparing your opinions to the larger picture and you are promoting your personal feelings as the reality. i had an appreciation of your perspective on josh's referrence to herself being a part of the underground when i read your first forum entry!! i do understand why it appears to you she is laying claim to something you may feel she isn't even part of, but that is only APPRECIATING YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE OF A DIVERSE CLUBBING REALITY.

besides that, josh IS a part of an underground scene.. regardless of what 'cheesy shite' she plays.. you and odyssey have incorrectly plonked her into your own perspectives of YOUR little underground scenes which is ANOTHER faculty of the LARGER UNDERGROUND SCENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?! your being rather mean by trying to claim the underground for yourselves, as though it is YOUR clicky little crews' underground??!

i wonder if those who are part of the "underground" scene JOSH was referring to would be a bit poopy if they knew you were invalidating their clubbing scene as well?!

more respect and more regards,
jordan.
(ps - we should have our own "The Movie Show" (SBS tv show) style prog where you and i debate our individual opinions of new music and events! hehehe)

thanks nicci.. two males arguing can be a daaaaaaaaaaangerous business!

BEWARE YE WHO MAKETH COMMENTETH ... HERE-ETH(?!)!!!

all the best,
jordan.

First of all thank you Jordan for your support and words in my defence you are a gem and like most nice people (DJ's) you too are an Artist of the turntables and a hell of a nice person who is definately tuned into the universe your musical taste and sets portray this. I managed to catch your set and "sweat" a few weeks ago and I spent nearly the whole set on the floor it was so refreshing to hear vocal, trance and progressive sounds that had real meaning you have my tick of approval.

To Odessy and Expose what can I say? I have never claimed to be the UNDERGROUND scene and this is a classic case of mis interpretation of my answer TOTALLY. the question/answer makes comment that most of us who work full-time as DJ's have been forced to play commercial music in order to keep heads in the door and the money coming over the bar. NOT everyone takes extacy anymore to the extent they used to and the clubs I derive and income from are all about selling alcohol and we all know that alcohol promotes commercial dance and commercial dance attracts women and women attract men so the music that I play is a necessity for clubs such as SODA, HEAVEN, PLANET and Sanctuary to get heads in the door week in week out especially during the harsh times of GST and other fincancial woes that have taken hold this year.

Mr Expose and Odessy you have never witnessed my Melb, Sydney or other gigs interstate have YOU? This is where I can cut loose and play the music I want to play and not what I have to play so you both have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever and no real proof either to back up your accudsations have you? so I suggest you stop claiming what you know of me and my sets. Like most OLD skool DJ's I come from a background where you are the selecta and you gain crowd by those who WISH to follow you because of your musical taste. If you both did your homework in the past 10 years you would know that vocal/trance/NRG has now become a commercial sound OH MY GOD STRIKE ME DOWN FOR LIKING THAT PARTICULAR STYLE and trance DJ's are now being labled as commercial all over the world. In a recent interview with Junior Vasquez (another old skool DJ of 25yrs and GOD of the house scene) mentions with my full agreeance: "I DONT GIVE @!#$ IF OTHER DJ'S SAY THAT sing it bAck by moloko IS TOO COMMERCIAL, IF THE PUNTERS LIKE IT, SCREAM FOR IT AND I WANT TO PLAY IT, WHO GIVES A @!#$ WHAT OTHER DJ'S THINK ITS A GOOD SONG THATS WHAT DJing IS ALL ABOUT! I too play for my punters and not from my DICK that has always been my #1 rule. Taking people on a musical Journey through subtle undertones, messages and vocals WHAT A BORING INDUSTRY IF WE ALL PLAYED HOOVER, HARD BANGING @!#$ ALL THE TIME! THANK GOD NOT ALL CLUBS PLAY IT AND THANK GOD PEOPLE NOW HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR!

also for your information I play commercial dance, disko house, trance, hardhouse and funk/soul I am fluent in all and that unlike YOU both I have not alienated myself to one style ie; hardhouse/techno (which is just banging, beats with no meaning or feeling what so ever) any chimpanzee can play hard house and to tell you the truth your musical taste is only for those who are so fucked up and speeding off there tits at raves and doofs! I can and do play all styles to all walks of life from underage events, gay/lesbian scenes, raves, dance paries and fundraisers unlike you I have a reputation that takes me Nationally every year across Australia to crowds that await my return with open arms and screams for more!

Odessy this is not the first time you have tried to publically humiliate me and other DJ's - once on your blessed ADrave site and now here didnt the smack in the chops at a nightclub recently teach you a lesson to keep your mouth shut yet? One day you will wake up and realise you should be more careful what you say about others you never know when you might need their help one day. You never will get that help because you have burnt so many people, clubs and radio stations that you will have to run away from Adelaide too I hear thats how you got here in the first place run out of town because you burnt your bridges!

If you both put more focus on your work at hand and did your investigating properly then you too may have a carreer and resume as long as mine and be just as successful but somehow I think your attitudes and mouths will see your demise. I have never done anything to you Kristian (Odessy) you have been nothing but a total A class PIG to me GET OVER IT YOU IMMATURE WANKER! It is obvious you have never liked me and if you dont keep your mouth shut I will seek legal advice DONT TEMPT ME! I cannot wait till your style of music becomes commercial too because of overplay and additions to dance radio playlists thenwe can all laugh at you!

Question: WHAT IS COMMERCIAL now that we have dance stations that thrash the @!#$ out of what used to be UNDERGROUND MUSIC? Tracks that used to only be heard in nightclubs? Why go out and pay to get into a nightclub when you can switch on the radio and go for a drive in your car?
Why is it that Adelaide persist on Pushing OLD SKOOL and OLD SKOOL rooms at our big events? What is UNDERGROUND? I dont think Underground exsists anymore because music is so accessable now via internet, mp3's, dance stationss streamline internet stations and magazines FACE IT FOLKS DANCE MUSIC HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AND UNEARTHED AND NOW THE MOST FERRAL OF BOGANS LOVE DANCE MUSIC WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?

From totally misunderstood and misinterpeted DJ Josh

Just some queries on a couple of points:

<I>DJ Josh wrote:
> To Odessy and Expose what can I say? I have never claimed to
> be the UNDERGROUND scene and this is a classic case of mis
> interpretation of my answer TOTALLY. the question/answer
> makes comment that most of us who work full-time as DJ's have
> been forced to play commercial music in order to keep heads
> in the door and the money coming over the bar.
</I>
Really? I've never been force to play anything.. The techno/deep house crowd has always been a alcohol crowd with a smattering of chemicals.

Shouldn't you be able to hold a crowd whether they are on E or drunk. I've been doing it for 10 years.
<I>
> also for your information I play commercial dance, disko
> house, trance, hardhouse and funk/soul I am fluent in all and
> that unlike YOU both I have not alienated myself to one style
> ie; hardhouse/techno (which is just banging, beats with no
> meaning or feeling what so ever) any chimpanzee can play hard
> house and to tell you the truth your musical taste is only
> for those who are so fucked up and speeding off there tits at
> raves and doofs! I can and do play all styles to all walks of
> life from underage events, gay/lesbian scenes, raves, dance
> paries and fundraisers unlike you I have a reputation that
> takes me Nationally every year across Australia to crowds
> that await my return with open arms and screams for more!
</I>
You've classified two styles together here, hard house and techno. Why not put commercial dance and disco in the same genre. They are very different. I will not comment on Hard House as I'm not an expert in the genre, but to say techno has no soul or funk displays your lack of understanding and knowledge of the genre. It show me that your impression of techno is 145+BPM tracks by Umek and the Swedes.. yes that has no soul, but can you tell me "Jaguar" by Rolando has no soul? The latest Keith Tucker/Optic Nerve, Juan Atkins, Underground Resistance etc.. has no funk?

It's all techno and it exudes funk.
<I>
> Question: WHAT IS COMMERCIAL now that we have dance stations
> that thrash the @!#$ out of what used to be UNDERGROUND
> MUSIC? Tracks that used to only be heard in nightclubs? Why
> go out and pay to get into a nightclub when you can switch on
> the radio and go for a drive in your car?
> Why is it that Adelaide persist on Pushing OLD SKOOL and OLD
> SKOOL rooms at our big events? What is UNDERGROUND? I dont
> think Underground exsists anymore because music is so
> accessable now via internet, mp3's, dance stationss
> streamline internet stations and magazines FACE IT FOLKS
> DANCE MUSIC HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AND UNEARTHED AND NOW THE
> MOST FERRAL OF BOGANS LOVE DANCE MUSIC WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?
</I>

BTW, tell me which radio station I can listen to, and listen to the music I play. What do I play, house/techno/electro. When was the last time I heard Glenn Undergound, Blake Baxter or Aux88 on the radio.

Old school.. I still haven't heard and Sleazy D, Richie Rich, Fast Eddie, Juan Atkins, Frankie Knuckles or Cybotron on the radio.

The underground lives on, you've just been blinded by the other side.

All the same, you keep your punters happy, and I'll keep mine doing the same. The definition of underground has changed, but it is still there. There are still many artists making music for the sake of making cool sounds, but they're not talking the dollars.

Also, we all get articles written about ourselves and alot of the times things are taken out of context. It's called life.

oh... I could be wrong, but isn't Hard House on every 2nd cd in a commercial music store.. by definition that would make it...... well?

I'm not having a go, but all I'm saying is that there's a helluva lot more out there

btw, Odyssey is a member of AdRave.

It is not his. It is not run by anyone. It is an open treaty collective per se.

I love a good responce like that Josh, Cheers !
"also for your information I play commercial dance, disko house, trance, hardhouse and funk/soul I am fluent in all and that unlike YOU both I have not alienated myself to one style ie; hardhouse/techno (which is just banging, beats with no meaning or feeling what so ever) any chimpanzee can play hard house and to tell you the truth your musical taste is only for those who are so fucked up and speeding off there tits at raves and doofs! I can and do play all styles to all walks of life from underage events, gay/lesbian scenes, raves, dance paries and fundraisers unlike you I have a reputation that takes me Nationally every year across Australia to crowds that await my return with open arms and screams for more!"

Would you still be saying this if you actually got booked to play raves and dance parties anymore ? Don't feel too special Josh there are a lot more DJ's than just yourself in this scene of our's that play interstate regulary .. I for one .. but you wouldn't know that as all you care about is yourself .. Check your interview .. When asked about up and coming DJ's you couldn't reply .. Why ? you don't care about anything else in this scene except yourself ..
Anyway i can't really be bothered slating you like you have to me .. Check the one reply to your interview from me and check your above comments .. Go seek legal advise my dear .. your comments above defame me more than you .. but could we expect any less ??

"Odessy this is not the first time you have tried to publically humiliate me and other DJ's - once on your blessed ADrave site and now here didnt the smack in the chops at a nightclub recently teach you a lesson to keep your mouth shut yet? One day you will wake up and realise you should be more careful what you say about others you never know when you might need their help one day. You never will get that help because you have burnt so many people, clubs and radio stations that you will have to run away from Adelaide too I hear thats how you got here in the first place run out of town because you burnt your bridges!"

firstly adrave is not my site .. and you seem to publicly humiliate yourslef just fine without my help .. I was never run out of Adelaide .. I was born here and lived here all my life .. and i'll say what i feel, when i feel, wether i get smacked in the chops by disgruntled club owners or not .. you really need to do some homework (as you so nicely told me) if you wish to get at me ..
Quite sad that the punters never hear you at any of the big events in Adelaide .. I think were doing them a favour ..


"If you both put more focus on your work at hand and did your investigating properly then you too may have a carreer and resume as long as mine and be just as successful but somehow I think your attitudes and mouths will see your demise. I have never done anything to you Kristian (Odessy) you have been nothing but a total A class PIG to me GET OVER IT YOU IMMATURE WANKER! "

Josh, I don't talk to you .. how is that being a pig ? Or is it because we don't hire you for shows ? blah blah blah ..

' GOD SAFE THE UNDERGROUND'

eagerly awaiting a reply
Odyssey

>Really? I've never been force to play anything.. The techno/deep house crowd has always been a alcohol crowd with a smattering of chemicals. Shouldn't you be able to hold a crowd whether they are on E or drunk. I've been doing it for 10 years.
>

J: I am never forced to play anything Majority of my crowds want to hear commercialism at the major clubs and my focus is to keep 90% of the dancefloor full at what ever it takes. There are nights and clubs that you play what we call "commercial" and the "hits" and then there are gigs where you go the tongs and tell you the truth I never have problem keeping a dance floor no matter where or when I play! I play to commercial crowds and event crowds and I play to suit the needs of each!

> You've classified two styles together here, hard house and techno. Why not put commercial dance and disco in the same genre. They are very different. I will not comment on Hard House as I'm not an expert in the genre, but to say techno has no soul or funk displays your lack of understanding and knowledge of the genre. It show me that your impression of techno is 145+BPM tracks by Umek and the Swedes.. yes that has no soul, but can you tell me "Jaguar" by Rolando has no soul? The latest Keith Tucker/Optic Nerve, Juan Atkins, Underground Resistance etc.. has no funk?

J: I am not here to point out the finer picky points of this question I LOVE music in general and HARD HOUSE is not really what I call music with feeling! I come from a gay/lesbian background that is my fortay I grew up playing ITALIO house, Hi NRG and Disco I grew into the genre of Trance and progressive house so that is what I play why is it that everyone thinks that their own love and choice for music is the best or what's in? I agree with your comment re: >yes that has no soul, but can you tell me "Jaguar" by Rolando has no soul? The latest Keith Tucker/Optic Nerve, Juan Atkins, Underground Resistance etc.. has no funk?
j: I dont have knowledge of these guys because they have not interested me not that they are not good they probably are, there are over 50 or more different genres out there not everyone is up to speed with them all nor do they have to be! I have heard rolando play and Juan Atkins and YES they do Have soul and Funk maybe I just put the wrong genre in the wrong spot of my reply sorry my mistake! please dont start getting offended or picking my points to bits here!

>BTW, tell me which radio station I can listen to, and listen to the music I play. What do I play, house/techno/electro. When was the last time I heard Glenn Undergound, Blake Baxter or Aux88 on the radio.

J: your the one pulling names out of your genre do your homework or maybe apply at Fresh FM or Dance 100 and have your own show you seem to have an extensive knowledge of your techno genre maybe you should be educating the masses yourself! There are many net radio stations you can look up (were you asking me so you can find out or was that another stab at me?)

Old school.. I still haven't heard and Sleazy D, Richie Rich, Fast Eddie, Juan Atkins, Frankie Knuckles or Cybotron on the radio. (as above)

>The underground lives on, you've just been blinded by the other side.
J: I have not been blinded by the other side I just derive an income from commercial clubs and I am being chastied by playing commercial music in commercial clubs SO WHAT! The music that is now playing on commercial stations and samples from some of the biggest hits around today I have played nearly 2 decades of the "original" releases which were underground traks back then and now been flogged to death and re hashed 100 times over! MY comment about the underground is IN THE MAJOR CLUBS ONLY the underground may live on for you and my 2 friends Odessy and Expose but take it from me when I say the clubs that i have been working full time in have now cashed in to commercial music just ask DJ Brendan when he was turfed out of the Planet due to the management wanting to put in tacky nights like HIT FACTORY and Their saturday night format where commercialism is RIFE! In majority of the clubs I work in they have requested that hits be played to keep the punters in and drinking!

>All the same, you keep your punters happy, and I'll keep mine doing the same.
j: can I ask where you play? why is this annoying the hell out of you? what does what I play matter to you? I dont give a @!#$ what you play and 10 brownie points for you doing what you do thats great! You dont have to work at Heaven, Soda Room or Santcturay recovery do you - you have no idea what will or wont work there do you?

>The definition of underground has changed, but it is still there. There are still many artists making music for the sake of making cool sounds, but they're not talking the dollars.
Are you saying I do this just to make dollars or cash in? how much money do you people think I earn? I get paid @!#$ all to do what I do, this is my full time job and tell you honestly I get as much per week as someone on a 38 hr week I have never cashed in on cash I LOVE WHAT I DO AND WOULD DO IT FOR NICKS IF I COULD!

>Also, we all get articles written about ourselves and alot of the times things are taken out of context. It's called life.
J; I agree and I am first to take a beating every now and then, I have to my whole carreer has been public but I am sick of people like O And EX airing their personal attacks on people like me because of their obvious dislikes of other peoples success or taste in music! So what I have had my moments when doing bad mixing (due to too out of it, lack of concentration, BAD foldbacks and sound systems) GOD I have witnessed Paul Oakenfold, Judge Jules and other internationals fault and @!#$ up we are all only human but why pay out on it or think that anyone has the right to say petty @!#$ like that on a public forumn? this is just immature twaddle!

>oh... I could be wrong, but isn't Hard House on every 2nd cd in a commercial music store.. by definition that would make it...... well?
J: again I agree with you here HARD HOUSE is played by nearly all DJ's in SA ie: Tidy Trax and NUKLEUZ tell you the truth I am sick of hearing it BRING ON SOMETHING NEW FOR @!#$ SAKE! Its a shame that to keep up with hoovers and hard house you have to dose up on anphetamine to dance to it or it does your head in!

>I'm not having a go, but all I'm saying is that there's a helluva lot more out there
J: YES there is but for a DJ like me who is dabbling in tech house and progressive sets at present it takes time to re educate the masses in our clubs this sound is too deep and slow for our gigi heads at recovery, too heavy for my Soda crowd (saturday), too slow and mature for my Chemistry and Friday SODA sets SO SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE AND MY BEDROOM GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE STUFF I REALLY LIKE TO PLAY! Please dont have a go unless you know my side of the story I appreciate your comments and take it all in to consideration I just wish I had an outlet or club in which I could get the use out of my imported very expensive undeground toons! and maybe I should have added to my comment A FEW MORE SIMPLE WORDS SUCH AS:

25. What do you think of the future of Adelaide’s Dance Music scene?
I am afraid (THE MAJOR CLUBS SUCH AS HEAVEN, PLANET, SODA ROOM AND SANCTUARY) HAVE already lost THEIR identities and need a great shake up – people are not as excited about it any more? Most people/punters & DJ’s have cashed in on commercialism – not through wanting to but because we have to, to keep heads in the venue at a cost OF losing the underground and not moving forward!
and THIS IS JUST MY OBSERVATION AND OPINION OTHERS MAY DISAGREE WITH ME HERE!

SORRY MY MISTAKE AGAIN LONG INTERVIEW AND LONG NITE totally mis enterpreted and lack of wording, DJ Josh

dj josh = you have appeal to cheese loving 18yr old pill poppers
and also some gay people

get over it
you are far from underground. the music you play has no feeling (except $$). your basslines sound like brr brr brr brr brbrbr brr brr brr brr brr brrbrbr etc

boooooooring

go punch the air at soda. nobody except the 200 18yr olds there really think you are any good.

ab

"Mr Expose and Odessy you have never witnessed my Melb, Sydney or other gigs interstate have YOU? This is where I can cut loose and play the music I want to play and not what I have to play so you both have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever and no real proof either to back up your accudsations have you? "

did you cut loose with your 'bangin nrg style' that you play at these ever so elusive interstate gigs on your session 002 mix cd, because if that was the harder style that you like to play, i just have to say, it was fucking crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all who have replied thanks for your one sided opinions again you still dont get the gist of my replies and spend most of your time bagging those who choose to do their job to their own liking GET OVER YOURSELVES as I said If we all played the same music what a boring industry we would have would we not?

funny those who throw stones abot 18yo's punching the air at least I have people punching the air in front of me and I dont discriminate who they are, how old they are, what they look like or who they sleep with you obviously do!

Most of your raves consists of 16 - 18 yo's wizzing glow stix fluffy pants punching the air whats the difference? As I said You have one sided opinions and what I choose to play or what negotations I do with CD albums does not effect you or your friends leave it alone and go play in your own sand pit KIDS! if you dont like my music or style then dont come and listen to it or listen to my CD's leave that up to the people who do WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SO INFORMED ABOUT IT ALL ANY WAY? How does this drastically change your life? why bother?

IF YOU READ THE ABOVE REPLY IT SAYS: WHERE DOES IT SAY I AM THE UNDERGROUND? I DONT CLAIM TO BE THE UNDERGROUND YOU FOOLS, again I QUOTE FOR THE LAST TIME AND I WILL NOT REPLY AGAIN;

I am afraid (THE MAJOR CLUBS SUCH AS HEAVEN, PLANET, SODA ROOM AND SANCTUARY) HAVE already lost THEIR identities and need a great shake up – people are not as excited about it any more? Most people/punters & DJ’s have cashed in on commercialism – not through wanting to but because we have to, to keep heads in the venue at a cost OF losing the underground and not moving forward!
and THIS IS JUST MY OBSERVATION AND OPINION OTHERS MAY DISAGREE WITH ME HERE!

You all have your own club RUSH so stay in your own backyard and play with your hoovers and I'll stay in mine and I am sure if I play commercial trax it wont drastically change your lives too much.

As for not being booked for raves and events I had to knock back the Stardust festival due to other committments (see blake) and I actually played the Valley of Dreams and OH if I remember correctly the booking promoter for the Strawberry Fields gig (YOU KRISTIAN) had my photo and name on the flyer, posters and advertising before asking me to do the GIG! BRING BACK ANY MEMORIES? and when I rang Daniel he told me you were supposed to ask me and when I fronted up to you at the FRESH FM meeting your excuse was and I quote "I have been so busy lately I forgot to ask you" but you proceeded to also forget to take my name off the bill and the following advertising in ONION when I asked you to take my name off the bill with an apology for me not being at the event and why BECUASE I WAS EXCLUSIVE TO HEAVEN THAT NIGHT AND BOOKED BEFORE YOU FORGOT TO ASK ME BEFORE PUTTING ME ON THE BILL! nice one brover!

I also said to you I can take legal action and charge you for the gig YOU advertised me for but I wont because I am not an @!#$ or that kind of person PLEASE DONT DISRESPECT ME again next time ring me and confirm with me before you put me on the BILL! I also said the thing that hurt me the most was I could have done the gig if you did ask me before Heaven got me!

I am asking you to let it go Kristian, play nicely with the others in the industry you dont have to talk to me I hear all the things you say about me there are people out there who do know and love me and show me things such as ADrave and passing comments that have been made about me OK I have no need to get back at you because you are digging your own grave I dont have to do it for you, I am not ashamed of what I do and how I do it. grow up! I apologise if I got your credentials wrong regarding where you came from, Adrave etc just talk around town is all! next time I wont listen to gossip including @!#$ that comes back to me that you have said about me hey because your opinion does not matter to me at all,

Josh

soda room and sanctuary are major clubs? what drugs are you on?

Josh,

you really need to get off your little box .. nobody cares ..(except you!)

your not the only DJ in Adelaide so please stop acting like it, Stick to your major clubs (haha soda room, sanctuary, heaven) and i'll stick to my small little dance parties !

and don't worry there won't be any future booking's so i won't need to remember to ask you .. there's plenty of DJ's in Adelaide with a great deal more talent that will get booked ahead of you ..

have a nice day


Odyssey

Well Josh i am so pleased that you chimed in with your 2c worth.

Its good to see that you are still happy to comment on things which you have no idea about and pass yourself off as more and more arrogant with each post.

I think its time for you to get over yourself most of the Adelaide scene allready has, I hope you continue playing to your 200 odd groupies that follow you from party to party for many years to come.

im not sure how to make this point, but if 'progressive' house is so progressive and 'the future' of music, howcome nobody (except your groupies) supported a certain new club at st pauls?

"some people think the progression of house has turned to progressive
but we all know progressive aint progress
and progressive aint house"

ooooh.....i can't wait until the dance music awards when little bugs like odyssey get squished big time by all the people who hate his immature rantings and behaviour.....

and another thing.......it is really interesting that the other states forums go on about promoting their respectives dance scenes rather than wasting time slagging off their rivals/friends. maybe thats why the eastern states look down at us because we all can't be bothered pulling our fingers out of our asses and getting on with the real job at hand...

hey i just posted 2 little lines .. (my own opinion) and she wrote an article ..

whatever !!

Little Bugs Like Odyssey Are you sure you know who your talking about Oddy is far from little

As for the dance awards i assume they will be as predictable as ever:

DJ of Year: Somebody from Heaven or Planet
Club of Year: Heaven
Clb night of Year: Chemistry
Up & Coming DJ: Youngest DJ At Heaven (probably Skot Holder???)

Basically the powers that be award within there group least thats how i see it

I walk in to Heaven....
I am greeted by a lovely looking lass...

"Hi, would you like to vote in this years Dance music Awards? We have already filled out the form for you so if you'd like to fill in your personal details we will submit the form for you."

I take the form and screw it in a ball and toss it over my shoulder as I enter...

/sacrasm

yeah...the Dance Music Awards are a true refection of what the punters think!

/end sarcasm

what a joke!

Party of the Year: If its bloody Twice as nice I'll scream!!!!

ENCHANTED FOREST HAS TO WIN.....nothing else came close!!!

Ere Ere Hobbsy There was no other

Guess it depends how many Heaven can enter themselves !!!

Disqualify Heaven straight away. You simply can't do that.

Could you imagine at the national election... here, since you live in Toorak you'll like Johnny. Here's one we prepared earlier...

What DJ Josh does when she is behind the decks very few people understand. As a divine channel encapsulating the Universal Energy she manages to assist other people do the same through her music to bring them to higher levels of consciousness. Those seeking knowledge, solace, ecstacy, expression, release and energy from the world receive it on her dance floor. Her music is her vehicle, but her talent is shamanic. To diss Josh is to misunderstand her. Try learning from her instead. How she manages to induce people into trance like states with her empathy and give to them the love they are missing. In love and music always,

RAVeN.
xxx

whenever you have popularity based awards you are always going to find bias and cheating. whether it be a club stacking votes or a dj getting all his mates to fill out as many forms as they can. the only true way the sa dance music awards can be run for a fair result is peer voting. that is by which a certain number of well respected dance industry people are chosen and then asked to vote for the categories. popular voting is just like the logies....fill out 100 forms so that alf from home and away wins the silver logie.....or something to that effect!!!

this is a very interesting discussion and has taken quite some time to read through. i don't claim to know anything much about the topic, but to josh i say this - state your thoughts, but don't ever think you have to justify yourself, you can play whatever you want, and people can go to whatever clubs they like. vote with your feet and your wallets people.

Now thats more like it...

Now I think the rest of you Fuckers should stop masturbating with cheesegraters and just get on with your own @!#$, however worthless and futile that may seem,,,, that's just my opinion...

Give 'em @!#$ Josha...

OK team,

I'm not even all the way through reading this particular thread (there's on 24 hours in the day!!) But I think it might be time to move on from the personal mud slinging.

This forum is supposed to be for constructive stuff. The last thing we want is bitchiness. Please move on from the nasty stuff.

~techboy~
managing ed
inthemix.com.au